D&D (2024) 2024 Spell Changes

[jmartkdr2]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but has mage armor been changed at all? It may be relevant to a character of mine.

 

[mellored]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but has mage armor been changed at all? It may be relevant to a character of mine.

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere. So I assume it's the same.

I don't think anyone was calling for it to be rebalanced either.

 

[jmartkdr2]

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere. So I assume it's the same.

I don't think anyone was calling for it to be rebalanced either.

Thanks!

I did note that the Dragon Sorcerer's AC feature changed, so I wondered if that was part of a larger pattern.

 

[Sir Brennen]

Action Surge now specifically notes that it can't be a Magic Action.

Okay, good. Hadn't seen that info about Action Surge yet.

Casting from a Wand or Scroll is also a Magic Action now (not a Use Item - now called Utilize) so, no.

That doesn't counter my example. Quicken fireball = Bonus Action, Wand of Fireballs = Action (Magic).

Even if the Bonus Action spell is considered a Magic action, that's not the rule. It's only one spell slot expended per turn. So, as of now, it sounds like Magic Item + Quickened Spell in one round is viable.

 

[mellored]

It's only one spell slot expended per turn. So, as of now, it sounds like Magic Item + Quickened Spell in one round is viable.

Quicken still has it's own restrictions.

I think it might be "can't cast a leveled spell", but don't quote me on that.

 

[Sir Brennen]

Quicken still has it's own restrictions.

I think it might be "can't cast a leveled spell", but don't quote me on that.

Right. But does using a magic item count as casting a leveled spell?

 

[MarkB]

Quicken still has it's own restrictions.

I think it might be "can't cast a leveled spell", but don't quote me on that.

It is - perhaps for this reason, assuming that using a wand is still considered to be casting the spell.

 

[mellored]

Right. But does using a magic item count as casting a leveled spell?

It is - perhaps for this reason, assuming that using a wand is still considered to be casting the spell.

If the wand says to cast "fireball", which has a level, then it won't work.

But I'm running off memory, so..

 

[Sir Brennen]

How about

If the wand says to cast "fireball", which has a level, then it won't work.

But I'm running off memory, so..

Yeah, in 2014 that is the way it's worded. I don't think that would change for 2024, so there's some restriction for Quicken there (as I hoped).

But there are plenty of other magic items that work without indicating the user is casting a spell. Necklace of Fireballs, for example.

Granted, that's a consumable item, but given we're getting new magic item crafting rules, I'd be making/commissioning those all the time.

And there might be other permanent items that give a powerful effect without using the term "cast", but that was the first example I could think of.

Again, the 2024 DMG may add more clarity.

 

[MarkB]

How about

Yeah, in 2014 that is the way it's worded. I don't think that would change for 2024, so there's some restriction for Quicken there (as I hoped).

But there are plenty of other magic items that work without indicating the user is casting a spell. Necklace of Fireballs, for example.

Sure, but they'd work just fine with the 2014 rules too, so no real change there.