D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Gammadoodler]

1) Summon Woodland Beings Isn't a Wizard spell
2) You can't choose the creature. Your DM chooses. It's DM fiat spell. Pixies will be a DM fiat.
3) When you are polymorphed, your Statistic is replaced for creature's statistic. So, not +4 CON, No lucky, no Warcaster. The Wizard concentration is gone. I'm sorry.

Another Wizard dead.

If this is your take on DM fiat, where the poster's summon which comes from the text of the spell, then how in the heck are you able to justify your Drow Matron Mother simulacrum??????

It requires DM fiat for Drow to even exist, much less for there to be a matron Mother, and further still that your sorcerer would know or have the access to her necessary to cast simulacrum.

I mean seriously...

 

[prabe]

Yes. If It has no visual effect like fireball or fireshied. Yes, Its imperceptible.

The description of Subtle Spell says, generously, that the casting is imperceptible (I think it might be reasonable to allow something like a Wis(Perception) or especially Wis(Insight) to determine if a character can determine what the caster is doing--if the character in question can perceive the caster, to be clear.) It says nothing about the spell's effects.

That aside, you think Dispel Magic has no visual effect? Like, if you dispel something ongoing, no one will notice? I don't see how you can think that works that way.

 

[Hohige]

Yes, but casting it BEFORE he took any damage, on round 1, was silly, since casting Bastion of Law explicitely removes any remaining former ward. You'd be better off casting it once it is expanded. During combat, when actions are at a premium.



Hence you're confirming you intent to cast Bastion right at the beginning of the fight?




Since you're rolling 9 dice for fireball and as much for upcast scorching rays, it's safe to consider you'll have 3 of them being 3 or less. The probability of rolling 9 dice and having 4 or more only is 0,19%. In 99,2% of the case you'll be using Empower. Of course I don't want to remove your agency, so please state when you'll be using Empower. You'll be better off saying you're rerolling systematically.

It's only if you were to Empower your cantrip that it would be statistically significant to save a SP in the 25% case where your 2 dice of damage are both above average.



The previous match had regular build. Since you added several spells of dubious origin (Eldritch Blast? Armor of Agathys?), the rules of having to have the spell on one's spell list seemed lifted, so I made this build to take that into account. BTW, if getting creature through SWB a DM fiat, how do you propose we replace the spell? And how do you propose we replace Divine Intervention, which is 2 class abilities of the Cleric (getting it and having it work flawlessly once a week at level 20)... Should we remove the level Sorc ability as well?

With regards to Polymorph, only the Statistics are replaced. So yes it is +4 CON (since it's the T-REX stat), but it says nothing about losing feat. The fact that the description of the spell states that it can't cast spells in this form implies that the polymorphed creature kept its spell slots and it wasn't covered under statistics. I know that Jeremy Crawford explicited that they wanted to cover all game information "you play with the stat block, set the character sheet aside", but you're still pretending you can get Simulacrum to regain SP so Crawford's interpretation are out. Make your mind, you can't have your cake and eat it.



Which takes a bonus action for each low level spell slot you convert.



Have you ever played a Sorcerer? It would take two rounds to get back 4 SP by sacrificing 2 2nd-level slots (a possibility you didn't describe in your strategy. so far, by the way...)



Since we started at 150 ft by your specification, it takes only 30 ft of move, a regular move without Dashing, to be at 120 ft.



Really? Where from? Clockwork Soul gets Alarm and Protection from Evil and Good according to Tasha... Please provide a specific page number (I don't say you're wrong, I may have missed it and would be happy if it was a more accessible spell now). Edit: OK, we must really try and guess what you did... It is not a Sorcerer spell, it's just that leveling up you swapped one of those two spells with Armor of Agathys, which is eligible since it's an abjuration. Could you at least try to make your builds understandable? It doesn't work for Eldritch blast, since you don't get a cantrip from Clockwork Soul and it's evocation anyway.

The previous match had regular build. Since you added several spells of dubious origin (Eldritch Blast? Armor of Agathys?), the rules of having to have the spell on one's spell list seemed lifted, so I made this build to take that into account. BTW, if getting creature through SWB a DM fiat, how do you propose we replace the spell? And how do you propose we replace Divine Intervention, which is 2 class abilities of the Cleric (getting it and having it work flawlessly once a week at level 20)... Should we remove the level Sorc ability as well?

Eldritch blast is from Spell Sniper feat.
Armor of Agathys is from Clockwork list, that I picked from Sorcerer/Wizard/Warlock transmutation/abjuration spells,that includes Armor of Agathis.
The Wizard doesn't have Conjure Wood creature and they can't choose them, the DM chooses.

"Since we started at 150 ft by your specification, it takes only 30 ft of move, a regular move without Dashing, to be at 120 ft."

No the battle star 480ft, why the Sorcerer will stay close if He is a long rangecaster.

"With regards to Polymorph, only the Statistics are replaced. So yes it is +4 CON (since it's the T-REX stat), but it says nothing about losing feat. The fact that the description of the spell states that it can't cast spells in this form implies that the polymorphed creature kept its spell slots and it wasn't covered under statistics. I know that Jeremy Crawford explicited that they wanted to cover all game information "you play with the stat block, set the character sheet aside", but you're still pretending you can get Simulacrum to regain SP so Crawford's interpretation are out. Make your mind, you can't have your cake and eat it."

It replaces your Statistic, all, race, class, spells, feats. All. Now you are just a beast.
No Warcaster, No class features, No lucy, No Spell
Also, The Wizard doesn't have acess to Conjure Woodland spell and It isn't a player choise, It's DM choice.


"Which takes a bonus action for each low level spell slot you convert."

You did It when you finish a long rest to regain SP expended with Bastion of Law and Aid. Why spending bonus action on combat? Wtf

 

[prabe]

The previous match had regular build. Since you added several spells of dubious origin (Eldritch Blast? Armor of Agathys?), the rules of having to have the spell on one's spell list seemed lifted, so I made this build to take that into account. BTW, if getting creature through SWB a DM fiat, how do you propose we replace the spell? And how do you propose we replace Divine Intervention, which is 2 class abilities of the Cleric (getting it and having it work flawlessly once a week at level 20)... Should we remove the level Sorc ability as well?

Eldritch blast is from Spell Sniper feat.
Armor of Agathys is from Clockwork list, that I picked from Sorcerer/Wizard/Warlock transmutation/abjuration spells,that includes Armor of Agathis.
The Wizard doesn't have Conjure Wood creature and they can't choose them, the DM chooses.

Just like the DM chose for your sorcerer to be able to Sim the DMM?

 

[Oofta]

Yes. If It has no visual effect like fireball or fireshied. Yes, Its imperceptible.

Wait, your claim is that subtle spell means there's no visual effect? It ... doesn't say anything like that. Only the spell components are affected, not the spell itself.

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Subtle Spell​

When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 sorcery point to cast it without any somatic or verbal components.​

 

[Hohige]

Wait, your claim is that subtle spell means there's no visual effect? It ... doesn't say anything that. Only the spell components are affected, not the spell itself.

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Subtle Spell​

When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 sorcery point to cast it without any somatic or verbal components.​

If the spell has no visual effect like Dispel, Mental Spike. It's imperceptible. With Subtle Spell, It's totally imperceptible. It's from Xanathar's rules

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

1. Regarding noticing being transformed into a chicken

If the spell has no visual effect like Dispel, Mental Spike. It's imperceptible. With Subtle Spell, It's totally imperceptible. It's from Xanathar's rules

The relevant Xanathar's section is:

Many spells create obvious effects: explosions of fire, walls of ice, teleportation, and the like. Other spells, such as charm person, display no visible, audible, or otherwise perceptible sign of their effects, and could easily go unnoticed by someone unaffected by them.

You will note that it does say nothing about being unnoticed by someone affected by them.

It then describes the possibility for onlookers to notice a spell being cast, which is irrelevant to the question at hand.

If you're Subtle Polymorphing, noone will know it's you casting the spell, but it won't make the people who started to transform into a Chicken and through an exertion of willpower (it's a WIS saving throw...) maintained control over his body form would "just feel bothered", except by DM fiat.

2. Regarding the ability to recognize spells

Additionnaly, if we were to subscribe to the idea that spells without visual cues can't be noticed, then we'd need to rerun the whole thread to correct some of the past affirmations. For example, in post #186 the OP proposed Counterspell as a defense against Power Word Stun, which has no somatic or material components, and nothing in the spell description states that one needs to shout the verbal component... Given the range, a whisper would be indiscernible, and certainly not recognizable as a spell.

Since by Xanathar you need to take your reaction to identify a spell being cast, the selective counterspelling policy exhibited in a few demigod build would be a failure, since there is no way to recognize a spell being cast before it is cast even with visual cues present, so you'd have to Counterspell "blindly".

3. Regarding the possibility to stealthily dispel buff because they don't have visual cues

Finally, it's the player decision to decide whether a spell he casts has a visual cue. Subtly Dispelling a Contingency, as was tried a few hundred posts ago, would be easily discernible since one would be interested to know whether his own Contingency is active or not ; one would therefore cast it by specifying, according to Tasha's suggestion :

Regardless of what type of spell caster you're playing, you can customize the cosmetic effects of your character's spells. [...] . The possibilities for how you might cosmetically customize your character's spells are endless. However, such alterations can't change the effects of a spell. They also can't make one spell seem like another-you can't, for example, make a magic missile look like a fireball.

It is canonically proposed as an example that the Haste spell might limn the target in faint thunderbolts. So, Haste has a visual cue despite nothing in the spell description mentioning it (because, it's a game of shared imagination and people are supposed to describe things...)

 

[Earth2Carnifex]

I Strongly disagree. You don't know.
It has no visual effect. You just feel "a little bothered."

I very strongly disagree
A saving throw is an active defense mechanism, the target is actively resisted it, the caster just tried to literally and forcefully change the shape and composition of the targets body, how would they not notice that? If the caster is trying to use Dominate Person, he is literally invading the persons mind and forcefully trying seize control, how would the target not notice that and "Just feel a little bothered"?

 

[Hohige]

I very strongly disagree
A saving throw is an active defense mechanism, the target is actively resisted it, the caster just tried to literally and forcefully change the shape and composition of the targets body, how would they not notice that? If the caster is trying to use Dominate Person, he is literally invading the persons mind and forcefully trying seize control, how would the target not notice that and "Just feel a little bothered"?

Anyway.
The Simulacrum is dispelled and The bastion dispels you. Now your turn?
The Bastion trully doesn't care.

 

[Earth2Carnifex]

Anyway.
The Simulacrum is dispelled. Now your turn?
The Bastion trully doesn't care.

LOL, Its not my fight, I was simply watching this Monopoly game from the sidelines.