[4e] Campaign discussion thread (Full)

[Shayuri]

Well, technically multiclass is always a power hit, since you can't then take a paragon path...and the abilities granted by paragon multiclass are weaker (typically) than paragon powers, plus you lose the paragon class abilities. PLUS the FOUR feats required to do it at all.

That said, it can be pretty effective too. I'm pretty happy with Thorn, for example. Maybe I shouldn't be...a level 30 pure rogue could well be scads better...but I am.

But as I look at warlocks, I think multiclassing is less attractive. Most of what wizards can do, warlocks can do too...so there's not nearly as much to gain from it. I might take Ritual Caster though...just because SO much "utility" magic is now rituals.

Edit - all that said, the ability of a warlock to curse multiple opponents, combined with a wizard's large selection of area blasts...has certain temptations...

 

[Atanatotatos]

uhmmm warloc/wizard multiclass... sounds difficult...

 

[garyh]

Edit - all that said, the ability of a warlock to curse multiple opponents, combined with a wizard's large selection of area blasts...has certain temptations...

You can only do curse damage once per round total, no matter how many cursed enemies you hit. Not once per enemy. So there's a limit to how useful fireballing five cursed foes would be.

Still, I'm running a level 1 infernal warlock / wizard in another game, and scorching burst on multiple cursed enemies does give you more chances that at least one of your cursed targets will be hit, and thus take curse damage.

 

[garyh]

uhmmm warloc/wizard multiclass... sounds difficult...

How so? Warlocks get a ton of benefits from high Int, so multi-ing into wizard still uses a good stat (my infernal warlock / wizard mentioned above has an 18 Con and 16 Int, and will be boosting those all the way, and avoid all Cha warlock powers). Plus, you can use a wand for powers from both classes.

 

[Atanatotatos]

Well... you can certainly do it... maybe it's my idiosyncracy, I always try to have at at least an 18 in a primary stat... maybe because I usually roll horribly and I hate missing. Anyway, I think we were talking about wizard/warlocks... and in particular, fey pact.... and while Con is a worthwhile stat for wizards (especially staff wizards), charisma, aside from spell focus (13 prereq) and flavor really doesn't pay...
I guess it depends, if you're only going for the basic multiclass feat, you won'r really need much, but if you're going for a serious multiclass you might end up short...

 

[Sparky]

Regardless of the statistical viability of 1st level characters, Steve, I'd like to see your statted Mythic PC - the Tieflling Warlock.

I want final drafts of all Mythic PCs by Monday.

EDIT: Read that message sans the imperiousness, it's just a reminder and a re-focusing of what I want us to be thinking about.

 

[Steve Gorak]

Regardless of the statistical viability of 1st level characters, Steve, I'd like to see your statted Mythic PC - the Tieflling Warlock.

I want final drafts of all Mythic PCs by Monday.

EDIT: Read that message sans the imperiousness, it's just a reminder and a re-focusing of what I want us to be thinking about.

Will do!
Cheers,

SG

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Well, technically multiclass is always a power hit, since you can't then take a paragon path...and the abilities granted by paragon multiclass are weaker (typically) than paragon powers, plus you lose the paragon class abilities. PLUS the FOUR feats required to do it at all.

I'm not sure where you getting the idea that if you choose a multi-class it later stops you from taking a Paragon Path from, as AFAIK it's not the case.

 

[Atanatotatos]

Guess he's talking about full paragon multiclassing.

 

[Shayuri]

Sorry, yes. I meant paragon multiclassing.

Multiclass feats are more give and take. The first multiclass feat is actually not a bad deal...you get skill training plus an encounter power.

The swap feats are no great shakes, but you're not -losing- anything with them. And if you pick synergies well, they can be worth it.