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D&D 4E 4E FRCS Cover: NOOOOOOOOOO!

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(he, him)
Guild Goodknife said:
pheew. That cover was practically the first thing i really disliked about 4th Edition FR. I like pretty much all of the other covers though.
Sadly, it was about the first cover I actually did like! :\


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JPL

Adventurer
Of course they have Drizzt. In addition to being a tremendously popular character, he is a rather good example of what a young adventurer in the Realms can aspire to become. No Chosen of Mystra whoo-hah, just a few flavorful magic items, a certain degree of fame, and some recurring bad guys. And unlike some of the high level magic types, he minds his own business.
 


The Ubbergeek

First Post
JPL said:
Of course they have Drizzt. In addition to being a tremendously popular character, he is a rather good example of what a young adventurer in the Realms can aspire to become. No Chosen of Mystra whoo-hah, just a few flavorful magic items, a certain degree of fame, and some recurring bad guys. And unlike some of the high level magic types, he minds his own business.

I like that post. QFT.
 

Irda Ranger

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Merlin the Tuna said:
It does look a little bit more old-timey, and normally that's a turnoff for me. But it's also got a nice party blend set on warm, vibrant colors... whereas the PHB has two ugly folks in goofy outfits set in a cold, uninteresting environment. I've only been playing the game for 2 years now -- I'm not anti-new stuff. The PHB's just got an ugly cover, plain and simple.
This. I've been around more than 2 years, but I dislike the 4E PHB cover on the merits.

The game is Dungeons & Dragons. Small bands of heroes go into dungeons and fight dragons. That's the game. The Character Record Sheet art depicts that, and does it well. I really like it.

The 4E PHB cover is lame.

Traycor said:
I'm not sure what everyone is freaking out about. This cover is a piece of art that is several years old. Obviously it isn't going to be the new FR cover. That art was used for the Drizzt mini waaay back.
Amazing catch. I don't know that it rules out the art's reuse though. There are enough people in this thread alone who are OK with it.

If WotC cares what certain other people on this thread think though, the FRCS cover should be a landscape/setting picture, not a character portrait. Drizzt is fine; but Drizzt overlooking Silverymoon is way better.
 

The Little Raven

First Post
Olgar Shiverstone said:
The cover of Grand History of the Realms managed to include Drizzt without making the character the sole centerpiece of the cover.

Except that the use of color on the Grand History cover draws your eyes directly to Drizzt, since his dark coloration contrasts with the subtler blues and greens. The first thing everyone I know has noticed about Grand History is Drizzt on the cover.

As for the re-using of old art... it could just be a placeholder for the real cover art, since we are still many months away from it's release.
 
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Festivus

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Vicar In A Tutu said:
That cover truly does suck. As does the PHB and MM covers. I have the same problem with the FRCS cover as I do with the PHB and MM covers. They say little or nothing about the campaign setting (or in the case of the core books, about the game). (snip)

And the old 3.5 ones did? If anything I see more conveyance of what the game is with the 4.0 covers than the 3.5 counterparts.





Yep, tells me zip about the game inside the covers.

In other words, I could care less who is on the cover, it's what's between them that counts.
 

WhatGravitas

Explorer
No Name said:
My guess is marketing. Speaking for myself (someone who has zero interest in Eberron), when looking at the new books of the month, I'd automatically skip anything that was of the ECS. I suppose they think that if I see it as D&D instead of Eberron now, the odds of me purchasing it will increase.
Yeah, I totally see why they're doing that - it's obvious, though I still think it's a bit sad. Additionally, I wonder why they haven't incorporated the Realms logo - after all, the Realms logo is on each Realms novel and the new and old logo look similar enough to remain recognizable - so it'd probably appeal to the novel readers as well - as Drizzt would perhaps do.

But then, the art is a mock-up, so a lot may (or may not) change.

Cheers, LT.
 


Remathilis

Legend
Nebulous said:
We could complain until we're blue in the face, but i don't think any covers will change. Is there a precedent for covers EVER changing that WotC has unveiled?

::Looks at Races of Eberron::

Sigh, no...
 


JPL

Adventurer
The Ubbergeek said:
I like that post. QFT.

Thanks.

Seriously, the way he's been statted most recently, Drizzt is just a moderately underequipped, suboptimally built high level (upper teens) character with some good ability scores. Many PCs will have heard rumors of him, few will have met him, and he has better things to do than follow the PCs around making them feel bad about themselves. Get out there and have some adventures of your own. The Realms are vast and perilous and heroes are in short supply.

For that matter...even these high level wizard NPCs like Elminster are ultimately just examples of epic level characters...something the PCs can aspire to become. And they are GOOD examples of epic level characters, because they are not just wandering around like 10th level characters with larger fireballs killing bigger orcs for better pie. They are the movers and shakers. They are the center of attention. They are big targets. They have their own agendas. They have complicated alliances and enemies with a long shared history. They deal with problems that 10th level characters never even HEAR about.
 
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Ty

First Post
As a grognard, my opinion is that the new FR Campaign Setting cover art (and all other cover art for that matter) should include the following:

Gratuitously well-endowed women running around in nothing but chain-mail bikinis together with a large human fighter clad in full plate and a geeky wizard in a pointy hat. ;)

This should help meet the stated needs of getting back to core D&D and serving to inspire a new audience of young males to take up the D&D hobby.
 

mhacdebhandia

Explorer
Ty said:
As a grognard, my opinion is that the new FR Campaign Setting cover art (and all other cover art for that matter) should include the following:

Gratuitously well-endowed women running around in nothing but chain-mail bikinis together with a large human fighter clad in full plate and a geeky wizard in a pointy hat. ;)

This should help meet the stated needs of getting back to core D&D and serving to inspire a new audience of young males to take up the D&D hobby.
That's not funny. It's just sad and embarrassing.
 



Fifth Element

First Post
Add my name to those who won't be buying this. Of course, I don't use Forgotten Realms, never have.

I actually quite like the cover, if it's what they end up going with. And, I don't judge books by their covers.
 



Voss

First Post
Kaodi said:
I think that the piece itself is decent, and I do not dislike Drizz't, but I do not think they are being very consistent with their direction. As we have seen, the big complaint with the Forgotten Realms is the prominence of high level NPCs. So, they sought to address this problem in the 4e conception of the setting. Yet, they play Drizz't on the cover. I am not going to say that they dropped the ball, but I think they could of done better not to be sending a mixed message.

I agree. This was one of the few changes they were supposedly making to appease the audience that didn't like the focus on high level characters. While they did say they weren't going to drop Drizzt, putting one of the posterboys of the very problem they said they were going to address on the cover of the book sends a fairly poor message.
 

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