D&D 5E A use for True Strike

CapnZapp

Legend
The grim truth is that you are better off forgetting about True Strike entirely.

Sure you might eke out the occasional utility in esoteric corner cases, but honestly, you are far more likely to be tempted into using it when you shouldn't.

It really is an absolute failure of a spell. That's not subjective opinion, it's objective fact.

Unlike many other threads, I say; let this one stay buried.

Regards,
Zapp
 

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Iry

Hero
True Strike and Find Traps. Even if you find the outlier corner cases, you are better off having something else the overwhelming majority of the time.
 

jaelis

Oh this is where the title goes?
Gonna say, I have a player who actually took my house-ruled version of true strike (cast it on an ally you can see, that ally gets advantage on next attack). It is working fine, many more situations where it is useful.
 

Asisreo

Patron Badass
I like analyzing these spells and options like True Strike and Witch Bolt because it gives me a perspective into the minds of the game designers. As a game designer, it's far more important to make a low-level option not too strong than not make one that's too weak. They may also have changed the way certain mechanics work and these mechanics could have a greater impact.

For instance, if true strike gave disadvantage on a target's saving throw, there'd be no reason not to take it and it may be a bit too strong. It could make a save-or-suck spell so much better and nullify a creature's magic resistance at level 1.

Or, attack roll cantrips may not have been at-will. It's possible early on that cantrips could be casted a certain number of times and replenished on a short rest.

When I look for corner cases, I'm not specifically looking for practical cases, but I'm looking for cases where if something change, the spell could trivialize the encounter. If true strike didn't have concentration and was a bonus action, you could do some serious damage.

There may have also been a spell that's been changed or removed that would've made true strike really strong. Imagine if smite spells weren't concentration.
 


Asisreo

Patron Badass
Okay, I know I'm basically resurrecting a dead thread, but there's two characters that could make marginal use of True Strike:

High Elven Thief & High Elven Assassin.

The high elf chooses a cantrip to pick as their racial trait. For a martial like a thief, attack cantrips don't mean much. Utility cantrips are useful, but if you're looking for a combat-focused cantrip, True Strike is good on occasions where you can't guarantee an ally be within 5ft.

Okay, at the time of writing this, there is the Steady Aim feature for rogues, which is just better, but it's an optional feature in a non-core book and I don't like making assumptions that players have spent more than the requirements for D&D. So I consider it viable.
 

Bolares

Hero
The high elf chooses a cantrip to pick as their racial trait. For a martial like a thief, attack cantrips don't mean much. Utility cantrips are useful, but if you're looking for a combat-focused cantrip, True Strike is good on occasions where you can't guarantee an ally be within 5ft.
I can see very little reason to choose true strike over booming blade for a combat focused cantrip. sure, you can't garentee you will have an ally for sneak attack, but booming blade still gives you a bonus to damage if the enemy goes moves. And if I'm the melee rogue, facing an enemy alone, I'd prefer to BB and bonus action disengage than staying for the true strike advantage next turn.


Edit: Okay, if we are going core books only I could see it.
 


Oofta

Legend
Probably the best use is twinned true strike into twinned guiding bolt.
It translates advantage for you into advantag for 2 party members.
Assuming the guiding bolt hits of course.

I think true strike is a bad spell and not worth it 99% of the time. But as @Asisreo points out if you're a rogue the majority of your damage is going to come from your sneak attack and true strike guarantees you'll get sneak attack damage if you hit.
 

Bolares

Hero
Assuming the guiding bolt hits of course.

I think true strike is a bad spell and not worth it 99% of the time. But as @Asisreo points out if you're a rogue the majority of your damage is going to come from your sneak attack and true strike guarantees you'll get sneak attack damage if you hit.
Sure, but you end up spending two turns on it. So if you do a DPR calculation, it kind of drops your sneak attack DPR in half. Doing Booming blade twice will end up doing more damage a lot of time.
 

Oofta

Legend
Sure, but you end up spending two turns on it. So if you do a DPR calculation, it kind of drops your sneak attack DPR in half. Doing Booming blade twice will end up doing more damage a lot of time.
Hence it only being useful 1% of the time. :)

I think it's just about the most pointless cantrip there is. Maybe it would have been okay as a 1st level spell and a bonus action so it was a limited resource.
 

Fanaelialae

Legend
Hence it only being useful 1% of the time. :)

I think it's just about the most pointless cantrip there is. Maybe it would have been okay as a 1st level spell and a bonus action so it was a limited resource.
It would be a better cantrip if there were high level nova spells that required an attack roll to hit. Taking an extra round to cast a 9th level spell to ensure you land it isn't necessarily a bad trade-off, since you generally only get 1 of those a day. However, since most high level spells are saving throw based, there aren't a lot of use cases for True Strike.

Now, granted, if you can find an alternate source of advantage then that's arguably better, but True Strike would be a decent backup option to have since it's always there.

As it stands though, yeah, extremely corner case.
 

NotAYakk

Legend
It would be a better cantrip if there were high level nova spells that required an attack roll to hit. Taking an extra round to cast a 9th level spell to ensure you land it isn't necessarily a bad trade-off, since you generally only get 1 of those a day. However, since most high level spells are saving throw based, there aren't a lot of use cases for True Strike.

Now, granted, if you can find an alternate source of advantage then that's arguably better, but True Strike would be a decent backup option to have since it's always there.

As it stands though, yeah, extremely corner case.
I mean, even if Witch Bolt damage scaled after the first hit.

Some way to prevent enemy from moving.
True Strike.
9th level Witch Bolt crit.
18d12 damage per round.

...

There is also Inflict Wounds; but 11d10 isn't enough, even with a crit, to justify a 9th level slot plus 2 turns.
 


Oofta

Legend
Wait…twinned true strike? Did I miss a Sage Advice or something?
I assume it's the sorcerer's metamagic feat twinned spell. So two creatures could get advantage on their next attack.

Still an edge case, but I'll adjust my true strike is useless 99% of the time to 98%. :)
 

Bill Zebub

“It’s probably Matt Mercer’s fault.”
I assume it's the sorcerer's metamagic feat twinned spell. So two creatures could get advantage on their next attack.

Still an edge case, but I'll adjust my true strike is useless 99% of the time to 98%. :)

Ahhh…for some reason I thought True Strike was ‘self’ only. My bad.

Since it’s not self, aren’t there some edge cases where it’s useful? Like, the rogue has Purple Worm Poison on his weapon and the grave cleric has just used channel divinity….

I guess even then there’s the opportunity cost of learning a cantrip you hardly ever use.

Maybe if it were a free cantrip that came with a subclass.
 

Asisreo

Patron Badass
Ahhh…for some reason I thought True Strike was ‘self’ only. My bad.

Since it’s not self, aren’t there some edge cases where it’s useful? Like, the rogue has Purple Worm Poison on his weapon and the grave cleric has just used channel divinity….

I guess even then there’s the opportunity cost of learning a cantrip you hardly ever use.

Maybe if it were a free cantrip that came with a subclass.
Yeah, I think earlier it was discussed that one-time use actions like a level 9 Chromatic Orb scroll or an early-game +3 arrow. It might actually be a bit more feasible from Tasha's since some classes can swap cantrips rather than hold onto one and it being useless for a good amount of time.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Ahhh…for some reason I thought True Strike was ‘self’ only. My bad.

Since it’s not self, aren’t there some edge cases where it’s useful? Like, the rogue has Purple Worm Poison on his weapon and the grave cleric has just used channel divinity….

I guess even then there’s the opportunity cost of learning a cantrip you hardly ever use.

Maybe if it were a free cantrip that came with a subclass.

I don't think you could grant the benefit of True Strike to another person?

The "target" of the spell is one being attacked not the person making the attack - so you could conceivably twin it to 2 targets but not 2 attackers.

Though the way it's worded, I think you'd have to twin the True Strike AND the attack spell after - or the true strike is wasted (it's "your" next attack roll against the target not "the" next attack roll like guiding bolt).
 

Bill Zebub

“It’s probably Matt Mercer’s fault.”
Now I think I’m going to create a magic item that lets you cast True Strike as a bonus action. 1d4+1 charges/day.
 

Bill Zebub

“It’s probably Matt Mercer’s fault.”
I don't think you could grant the benefit of True Strike to another person?

The "target" of the spell is one being attacked not the person making the attack - so you could conceivably twin it to 2 targets but not 2 attackers.

Though the way it's worded, I think you'd have to twin the True Strike AND the attack spell after - or the true strike is wasted (it's "your" next attack roll against the target not "the" next attack roll like guiding bolt).
Oh, right, that’s it.
 

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