Advancement even faster?

[Fobok]

I read that to, but it doesn't change the fact that the interuption of play to level up still occurs more often.

Why? I only once ever let players level up in the middle of play, (and that was a general anything-goes game that nobody was taking seriously anyway). Since levelling up will still only happen every 2 to 3 sessions (instead of 3 to 4... big change, that), you could easily leave levelling to the end of the session where the players hit the level-up point.

 

[gizmo33]

I read that to, but it doesn't change the fact that the interuption of play to level up still occurs more often.

With less of a power increase, maybe it means less of an interruption - fewer skill points to have to distribute, etc. Overall, it's possible that the total amount of time spent levelling your characters is the same.

Maybe they should have 60 levels and just space them even closer together?

If it was a 1000 levels and each level up took .01 seconds I'd be happy with that.

 

[Voadam]

I thought that the levels were going to be roughly the same, not that a 20th level wizard would be comparatively significantly weaker in 4e than a 20th level wizard in 3e. I thought it was just the advancement that was increasing to go from 1-30 in 4e in the time they had allotted to go from 1-20 in 3e (their target time for a campaign to last). Any linked statements or threads for less power per level in 4e even though they are heroes from level 1 on?

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I thought that the levels were going to be roughly the same, not that a 20th level wizard would be comparatively significantly weaker in 4e than a 20th level wizard in 3e. I thought it was just the advancement that was increasing to go from 1-30 in 4e in the time they had allotted to go from 1-20 in 3e (their target time for a campaign to last). Any linked statements or threads for less power per level in 4e even though they are heroes from level 1 on?

Actually this is listed on the front page from an interview with Chris Perkins:

One of the goals of 4th Edition is to make high-level play as fun, balanced, and manageable as low-level play, and to make high-level characters as easy to create and run as low-level ones. Comparing high-level 4th Edition characters to high-level 3rd Edition characters is not an apples-to-apples comparison because they're built very differently. However, there isn't a startling increase in overall power level from a 20th-level 3rd Edition character to a 20th-level 4th Edition character.

If a 4e 20th level PC may be a little more powerful, then a 30th level 4e PC will be much more powerful than a 20th level 3e PC.

Edit: I wonder if that is a typo or if Chris Perkins meant to say "However, there isn't a startling increase in overall power level from a 20th-level 3rd Edition character to a 30th-level 4th Edition character." since he was talking about the rate of advancement being about the same across 30 levels.

 

[Fobok]

Edit: I wonder if that is a typo or if Chris Perkins meant to say "However, there isn't a startling increase in overall power level from a 20th-level 3rd Edition character to a 30th-level 4th Edition character." since he was talking about the rate of advancement being about the same across 30 levels.

Rate of advancement, while in some people's campaigns may be linked to power level, is totally separate when comparing power levels between editions in that manner. It could take 10 minutes to get to level 20 if you multiply XP a few times, but if 20th level wizards have Wish still, that's a measure of power level, not advancement time.

And, wasn't it pretty early on they said they weren't just stretching the old 1-20 game into 1-30, but putting Epic into core?

 

[Voadam]

Actually this is listed on the front page from an interview with Chris Perkins: If a 4e 20th level PC may be a little more powerful, then a 30th level 4e PC will be much more powerful than a 20th level 3e PC.

Edit: I wonder if that is a typo or if Chris Perkins meant to say "However, there isn't a startling increase in overall power level from a 20th-level 3rd Edition character to a 30th-level 4th Edition character." since he was talking about the rate of advancement being about the same across 30 levels.

I read the same original quote on the front page

"there isn't a startling increase in overall power level from a 20th-level 3rd Edition character to a 20th-level 4th Edition character."

That's why I thought there is not a significant power difference between 3e 20 to 4e 20 characters.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

That's why I thought there is not a significant power difference between 3e 20 to 4e 20 characters.

They've stated more than once that 20-30 IS Epic play the same way that 20-30 in 3e IS Epic play. Pretty much everything they've said made it sound like you'd be fighting demons and plane traveling at 18th level, the same as before.

So, it sounds like overall, leveling will be much quicker in 4e. You will reach 20th level in the time it might have taken to get to 14th level in 3e.

 

[Baby Samurai]

I think character advancement will be great in 4th edition. Characters will start out with more power, but will gain power more slowly/incrementally, as opposed to what we have now, which is characters starting out as a cook with a longsword and becoming a demigod around 15th level or so.

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

When they say the rate of advancement is faster in 4e, do they mean that it's faster than the intended rate of advancement in 3e - once every 4 sessions - or faster than the actual rate, which in my experience is usually every 2-3 sessions?

 

[Baby Samurai]

or faster than the actual rate, which in my experience is usually every 2-3 sessions?

They’re going for levelling every 2 to 3 sessions.