D&D 5E After 2 years the 5E PHB remains one of the best selling books on Amazon

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Hmm ... how successful was Blue Rose at the time it first came out? I ask because that's the only one I can think of that I've heard negative comments about. Though, it's getting a second edition, so "failed" is a relative term, I guess.

Blue Rose is aimed at a more niche market than D&D I think.

 

[jayoungr]

Blue Rose is aimed at a more niche market than D&D I think.

Possibly, but [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] did say "any game."

 

[Jester David]

So... do you* play every edition of D&D? Do they stop being D&D just because you aren't playing them?

Keep in mind I remember a time when 4e was decried as Not D&D by a large group in this forum.



* The inclusive or royal 'you'.

I think you have to limit and clarify "what is D&D" to remotely get a reasonable number of games. Otherwise D&D spirals outward to include myriad other games.
"D&D" as a roleplaying game is any version of the D&D pen-and-paper RPG published by its owner: currently WotC but formerly TSR.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I think that there is a level of intellectual dishonesty that's going on in this discussion that unfortunately is typical of nerd fandom and people who have to be right.
The OGL has it's origins in the idea of open source software. Because this is closer to what we're actually dealing with than "Kleenex" or "Frisbees" because of how open source software and the OGL are used.

There are several different distributions of Linux.

Debian, OpenSUSE, Unbuntu, Fedora etc. But they're all Linux at their core.

No one is going around saying that Unbuntu is Debian becuase they are both Linux. Or that Fedora is OpenSUSE because they're both Linux. because that would be dishonest.

But again all of these distributions are Linux. That much is in agreement.

Linux = D20

Distributions = D&D, Pathfinder, Mutants and Masterminds, Star Wars (SAGA), etc.

I play Pathfinder. I DO NOT play D&D. I do not call D&D Pathfinder. I do not call Pathfinder D&D. Are they both D20 based systems? I guess, since I havent played 5E, but I'm assuming that it still has it's roots in rolling a d20 to hit a target number. I dont call Mutants and masterminds D&D either, nor do I call Star Wars Saga D&D because it's not.

The Pathfinder iconics are the Intellectual property of Paizo. For the same reason that Pazio CANNOT do a Pathfinder version of AGE OF WORMS or SAVAGE TIDE because those two AP's are the intellectual property of WOTC. It's dishonest and flat out wrong to claim anything to the contrary in order to win an argument.

Does Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga and Mutants and masterminds all have their origins in the D20 system? Absolutely.

Are they D&D? No.

Now and this needs to be said, I have no problem with if among your group of friends or in your town it's all D&D because that's what you've chosen to call all RPG's. I get that.

But to argue and insist that this is a universal truth and should be acknowledged? Yeah...NO.

When I was younger (especially in the 80's) we described everything as "it's LIKE D&D except with spaceships and aliens (Star Frontiers). It's like D&D except with cowboys (Boot Hill). It's like D&D except with spies (Top Secret S.I.)." But now with the pure amount and variety of games out there I simply call a game by it's ACTUAL NAME.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

If someone asks me what Pathfinder is I tell them it is D&D with some of the serial numbers filed off. If Star Wars was a take on a version of D&D I'd say the same, but its not. Where PF is a tweaked version of 3.5 D&D.

 

[Imaro]

If someone asks me what Pathfinder is I tell them it is D&D with some of the serial numbers filed off. If Star Wars was a take on a version of D&D I'd say the same, but its not. Where PF is a tweaked version of 3.5 D&D.

Star Wars d20, Star Wars Revised and Star Wars SAGA edition were actually tweaked versions of 3.5 D&D as well...

EDIT: In other words 3.5 because of the OGL and it's popularity spawned a variety of games that were tweaks and changes to 3.5 D&D but they aren't actually D&D.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

So Star Wars was filled with all* the standard D&D monsters, classes, assumptions, and trappings?


*those that aren't WotC IP that is.

 

[Imaro]

So Star Wars was filled with all* the standard D&D monsters, classes, assumptions, and trappings?


*those that aren't WotC IP that is.

Ah... I see so you meant only the tweaks & changes you decide are within particular parameters count... got it. So we're back to personal definitions of D&D, which are again useless/disingenuous in so far as the discussion that was taking place.

 

[Remathilis]

Sorra - favored soul.
Ember - monk.
Naull - wizard.

What do I win?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons_iconic_characters

 

[Shasarak]

no. Is playing a cleric essential? Are you still playing D&D if no one is a cleric. Does that mean Dark Sun isn't D&D?

You know that Dark Sun has Elemental Clerics, right? So yes, even Dark Sun.

Yes.
All three of the Star Wars games were compatible with 3e. More that Pathfinder arguably.

As are dozens of other OGL games. Castles & Crusades, Dragonstar, Midnight, Iron Heroes, etc. Is every game published that was compatible with the d20 rule set the "D&D"? Or just the ones that also have clerics?

That is fine for me, if you think that Star Wars is more compatible then Pathfinder, knock yourself out.

Did they at least try to be inclusive with the DnD Star Wars?