D&D 5E After 2 years the 5E PHB remains one of the best selling books on Amazon

[Shasarak]

Wow. Pedant much?

At least try and be accurate when you are making things up, geez.

 

[Shasarak]

Shasarak some of us DO NOT Play Pathfinder. So Pathfinder not = D&D. The poster asked for D&D icons not the spinoff.

jasper, can you at least give me a list of games that you play so that I can know which ones count and which ones dont.

To clear it up using Star Trek. the Poster asked Star Trek the original series not the cartoon, not the movies, not the one with Johnny Luke Peecard and his pale robot, not the one with the bald dude, the woman captain or the leaper captain.

So you are saying that you have not watched the cartoon, the movies, the one with Johnny Luke Peecard and his pale robot, the one with the bald dude, the woman captain or the leaper captain so they are not Star Trek?

 

[Shasarak]

Played 4E once, Pathfinder 3 or 4 times this year. The original question was "name non white D&D icons". Not "Name non white D&D and related work icons". Shasark is ticked that the person who posted the original question wanted only the D&D brand.

No it is just how much the goal posts move. Almost as if the OP was just looking for a way they could vent about something or some other first world problem.

 

[Shasarak]

I think you have to limit and clarify "what is D&D" to remotely get a reasonable number of games. Otherwise D&D spirals outward to include myriad other games.
"D&D" as a roleplaying game is any version of the D&D pen-and-paper RPG published by its owner: currently WotC but formerly TSR.

That has not been the case since 2000, so you appear to be 16 years out of date.

 

[Jester David]

You know that Dark Sun has Elemental Clerics, right? So yes, even Dark Sun.

Who are clerics in name only.

I hope you're not implying that games are D&D so long as they have a class called "cleric".

That is fine for me, if you think that Star Wars is more compatible then Pathfinder, knock yourself out.

Did they at least try to be inclusive with the DnD Star Wars?

I don't recall if it was inclusive. (They used a lot of movie still, so likely not. Probably less inclusive...)

I don't see how that's relevant to the question of "is Pathfinder D&D?"

That has not been the case since 2000, so you appear to be 16 years out of date.

I literally have zero idea what you mean by this statement.

 

[Shasarak]

I think that there is a level of intellectual dishonesty that's going on in this discussion that unfortunately is typical of nerd fandom and people who have to be right.
The OGL has it's origins in the idea of open source software. Because this is closer to what we're actually dealing with than "Kleenex" or "Frisbees" because of how open source software and the OGL are used.

There are several different distributions of Linux.

Debian, OpenSUSE, Unbuntu, Fedora etc. But they're all Linux at their core.

No one is going around saying that Unbuntu is Debian becuase they are both Linux. Or that Fedora is OpenSUSE because they're both Linux. because that would be dishonest.

But again all of these distributions are Linux. That much is in agreement.

Linux = D20

Distributions = D&D, Pathfinder, Mutants and Masterminds, Star Wars (SAGA), etc.

If I was to use your definitions then I would have Linux = DnD and all the other Distributions as the various iterations.

 

[Shasarak]

Who are clerics in name only.

So the elemental Clerics do not cast Cleric spells? Or do you mean something else.

I hope you're not implying that games are D&D so long as they have a class called "cleric".

Pretty much. I assume that I can play a Cleric in Star Wars because it is closer to 3e then Pathfinder, right?

I don't recall if it was inclusive. (They used a lot of movie still, so likely not. Probably less inclusive...)

Ah, shame.

I don't see how that's relevant to the question of "is Pathfinder D&D?"

I literally have zero idea what you mean by this statement.

In 2000 the OGL was released which removed the ownership restriction for creating DnD products. Honestly I am surprised that someone who creates "DnD" products has not heard of it.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

If I was to use your definitions then I would have Linux = DnD and all the other Distributions as the various iterations.

Of course you would. Youre the one arguing that everything is D&D. And it isn't.
The OGL is the system kernel not the brand.

Listen, I think that you are so wrong about this that you're several light years away from being right.
Youre not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you so let's just politely leave it at that.

 

[Jester David]

So the elemental Clerics do not cast Cleric spells? Or do you mean something else.

No, they cast divine spells. Like paladins, rangers, and clerics. In 2e anyway.
In 4e, elemental clerics weren't clerics. Clerics didn't exist.

Pretty much. I assume that I can play a Cleric in Star Wars because it is closer to 3e then Pathfinder, right?

You can rename a Jedi counselor a "cleric" if you wanted.
And Wookiepedia has a fairly long list of "clerics" in Star Wars: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Clerical_workers_and_assistants

But, again, I hope the only thing that makes a game D&D is not "used the d20 rules and includes clerics".

In 2000 the OGL was released which removed the ownership restriction for creating DnD products. Honestly I am surprised that someone who creates "DnD" products has not heard of it.

Be honest, you're trolling me, right? This is you trolling me. Because otherwise that argument is so ridiculous...

 

[Shasarak]

Of course you would. Youre the one arguing that everything is D&D. And it isn't.
The OGL is the system kernel not the brand.

Listen, I think that you are so wrong about this that you're several light years away from being right.
Youre not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you so let's just politely leave it at that.

I would not want to convince you of anything that is self evident, so indeed good day to you sir.