Spoilers Agatha All Along discussion

[MarkB]

Everyone will have their rationale for why they are critical.

Which doesn't mean that such criticism is invalid.

So, one person complains that they are always setting up for something else, and another complains that they aren't setting up for something else.

Sounds like the criticism lacks coherence more than the movies.

They've been trying to set up stuff for years now, but they just don't seem to be able to settle on anything. There's none of the sense of purpose that there was throughout the earlier movies.

By the way, as for them building anything new in place of the Avengers: Wiccan, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, Ironheart, Cassie Lang - all members of the Young Avengers.

Yeah, and if they manage to actually launch anything that combines their talents while any of them are still young, it'll be an achievement.

 

[Ryujin]

Everyone will have their rationale for why they are critical.



So, one person complains that they are always setting up for something else, and another complains that they aren't setting up for something else.

Sounds like the criticism lacks coherence more than the movies.

By the way, as for them building anything new in place of the Avengers: Wiccan, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, Ironheart, Cassie Lang - all members of the Young Avengers.

And now even Wonder Man is on the schedule for next year. Disney+ released a trailer for what's coming up, not too long ago.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

By the way, as for them building anything new in place of the Avengers: Wiccan, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, Ironheart, Cassie Lang - all members of the Young Avengers

Three of those are good characters, two join the great many other also-rans the MCU have tossed in the pot.

Maybe the reason no Young Avengers has been announced yet. Only the Fantastic Four, the team that looks really naff to anyone who isn’t a hardcore comics fan.

 

[Ryujin]

Three of those are good characters, two join the great many other also-rans the MCU have tossed in the pot.

Maybe the reason no Young Avengers has been announced yet. Only the Fantastic Four, the team that looks really naff to anyone who isn’t a hardcore comics fan.

There was a non-Disney "New Mutants" movie, that starred Anya Taylor-Joy as Illyanna, but it was mediocre and didn't really get any traction.

 

[billd91]

There was a non-Disney "New Mutants" movie, that starred Anya Taylor-Joy as Illyanna, but it was mediocre and didn't really get any traction.

It spent a lot of time in production limbo dealing with studio interference, so I'd say it's better than you'd expect after all that. It's still generally middling but quite watchable.

 

[Staffan]

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with the person that said this is an odd definition of "barely there".

I think my issue is related to there being too many characters. In Iron Man and Thor, the boss battle was something like 10-15 minutes. In Avengers, it was more like 30-35 because we have six leads that all need their spotlight time. But in Endgame, it's something like 50 minutes – again, because we have lots and lots of characters who all need their Moment of Awesome.

And that's OK, because Endgame is the culmination of a decade's worth of movies, so you gotta have a lot of payoff. But it didn't have much other than payoff.

 

[Maxperson]

MCU is too obsessed with comic book Easter eggs to either tell a cohesive serialised story or use the shared universe to tell unrelated stories.

It's not one or the other with a cohesive serialized story and Easter eggs. You can do both well. You can't have a completely unrelated story and Easter eggs, because said eggs would relate the story, but you could do a mostly unrelated story and put in some Easter eggs.

That they haven't done many of these stories well doesn't mean that it can't be done. They just generally don't do them well.

 

[Maxperson]

And now even Wonder Man is on the schedule for next year. Disney+ released a trailer for what's coming up, not too long ago.

They made General Grievous into Captain America?

 

[Thomas Shey]

I think my issue is related to there being too many characters. In Iron Man and Thor, the boss battle was something like 10-15 minutes. In Avengers, it was more like 30-35 because we have six leads that all need their spotlight time. But in Endgame, it's something like 50 minutes – again, because we have lots and lots of characters who all need their Moment of Awesome.

And that's OK, because Endgame is the culmination of a decade's worth of movies, so you gotta have a lot of payoff. But it didn't have much other than payoff.

But see, to me it seemed like the characters got the amount of screen time they needed, so that doesn't really change my view. I thought there was plenty of plot, and plenty of screen time given what the character needed.

 

[pukunui]

Let's not forget that they were building up toward Kang being the new Thanos, but with Jonathan Majors out of the picture now, they've been scrambling to come up with something different for the grand plan.

Seems like it might now be Young Avengers vs Dr Doom?