Spoilers Agatha All Along discussion

[Crimson Longinus]

I think the multiverse idea was a mistake to begin with. They already sort of opened the can of worms with the alternate timelines of the Endgame, but most people probably didn't play much attention to that. But making the multiverse the focus, cross universe travel possible and multiversal villain the main foe makes it all very explicit. And it sort of causes all of it to lose meaning. There are infinite version of everyone, infinite realities where Thanos wins, and there are infinite Thanoses (hopefully some of them not quite as stupid.) Or infinite Kangs. But also infinite Avengers... Eh...

So it is probably for the best if they just forget about Kang and that whole plotline.

 

[Staffan]

I think the multiverse idea was a mistake to begin with. They already sort of opened the can of worms with the alternate timelines of the Endgame, but most people probably didn't play much attention to that. But making the multiverse the focus, cross universe travel possible and multiversal villain the main foe makes it all very explicit. And it sort of causes all of it to lose meaning. There are infinite version of everyone, infinite realities where Thanos wins, and there are infinite Thanoses (hopefully some of them not quite as stupid.) Or infinite Kangs. But also infinite Avengers... Eh...

So it is probably for the best if they just forget about Kang and that whole plotline.

Yeah, the Multiverse works best as a weird thing that only occasionally intersects with the main MCU (I refuse to call it 616). It works well as a source for things (like Rachel Summers being the daughter of Jean Grey and Scott Summers from an alternate future), and less well as a place where things happen.

 

[Older Beholder]

The last 3 things Marvel put out (unless I’m forgetting something) were:

X-men 97
Deadpool and Wolverine
Agatha all along

All of which I enjoyed a lot, kinda feels like they got their groove back a bit this year, at least to me.

 

[MarkB]

The last 3 things Marvel put out (unless I’m forgetting something) were:

X-men 97
Deadpool and Wolverine
Agatha all along

All of which I enjoyed a lot, kinda feels like they got their groove back a bit this year, at least to me.

I haven't seen X-Men 97, never watched the original cartoon so i have no nostalgia for it.

Agatha All Along I was lukewarm on for the first half, but it did improve towards the end.

Deadpool and Wolverine was a lot of fanservice, but it was expertly precision-applied and overall great fun, managing to land the emotional beats well.

 

[Older Beholder]

I haven't seen X-Men 97, never watched the original cartoon so i have no nostalgia for it.

I hadn't seen the original cartoon either and I loved it.

 

[Umbran]

It spent a lot of time in production limbo dealing with studio interference, so I'd say it's better than you'd expect after all that. It's still generally middling but quite watchable.

The actors were all well-cast. If I'd had to choose a single plot from New Mutants to use as a movie, I'd have chosen the Demon Bear too. The setting they chose was good. It had promise

The script and/or direction (and subsequent editing)... not up to the task.

 

[Umbran]

I haven't seen X-Men 97, never watched the original cartoon so i have no nostalgia for it.

I had watched some of the original, back in the day.

The only problem I had with the new episodes was that they ran the plot like a runaway freight train. You couldn't breathe between the old comics plot beats as they thundered through them.

 

[Umbran]

Let's not forget that they were building up toward Kang being the new Thanos, but with Jonathan Majors out of the picture now, they've been scrambling to come up with something different for the grand plan.

Seems like it might now be Young Avengers vs Dr Doom?

Note: one of the major members of the Young Avengers is Iron Lad - a young version of Kang that decides he doesn't want to grow up to be the villain. Kind of hard to introduce him without Kang...

 

[Umbran]

Which doesn't mean that such criticism is invalid.

Nope. Just means that that having a rationale in and of itself isn't meaningful. You can have a rationale, but still have the criticism be weak, inconsistent, or even a rationalization of other unstated issues.

They've been trying to set up stuff for years now, but they just don't seem to be able to settle on anything. There's none of the sense of purpose that there was throughout the earlier movies.

Oh, how soon we forget. People were complaining that having that that single purpose was making it hard to get on board, and causing fatigue, because that big a commitment was more they wanted to make in a media franchise.

"Fix my criticisms, but don't worry about all the others," is kind of a non-starter.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

There was a non-Disney "New Mutants" movie, that starred Anya Taylor-Joy as Illyanna, but it was mediocre and didn't really get any traction.

I enjoyed it and would rather watch it again than almost any of the Fox X-Men movies. But I was also a huge New Mutants fan back when their comic book was still a new thing in the 80s.