Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[Hussar]

Ahhh. I guess I mixed in the Seperatist Crisis with the Clone Wars. Didn’t realize they were different.

Doesn’t really change my point though. Thousands of worlds see the Jedi as the enemy.

 

[Zardnaar]

Ok clone wars 3 years, imperial era 18, rebellion 4, post endor 5. 29 years 26 since order 66?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I mean, Han Solo was, what, in his mid 30s? He'd remember them being around 19 years ago. As would everybody else older than, say, age 10. I definitely remember things that happened 19 years ago. Some of them I wish I didn't, but hey.

You remember events that occurred in distant lands when you where a kid? You must have lived in a family of news hounds! The Vietnam war was on when I was that age, but I knew nothing about it at the time, and still know very little.

As for Han, he grew up on the streets, so had no education, and would know very little about anything.

 

[Zardnaar]

You remember events that occurred in distant lands when you where a kid? You must have lived in a family of news hounds! The Vietnam war was on when I was that age, but I knew nothing about it at the time, and still know very little.

As for Han, he grew up on the streets, so had no education, and would know very little about anything.

Also the clone wars were fought mostly outer rim. Kinda like Iraq to average American. Wars far away and very few Jedi who mostly interact with clone troopers.

I'm not sure how many workds are in the Empire new canon. Before the clone wars there's enough Jedi to have one on every 100 worlds basically 1 in a hundred. They're outnumbered 2.5-1 by Star Destroyers. No obscure sect on Earth is comparable. I think Disney Empire is bigger but not 100% sure.

Jedi surviviors are something like 200. That's 1 in 50 Jedi survive the clone wars. One in 5000 worlds or 125 star destroyers per Jedi.

Ahsokas set 27 years after that totalitarian regime for 22 of those years and there's no galactic wide internet to Google it.

 

[briggart]

That’s the point. He doesn’t. No one does.

We do because that’s all we see of the setting - Jedi stories. But the vast majority? Never seen one. Stuff that happened on another planet a long way away.

And then a couple of decades of authoritarian regime to erase the history.

It’s not like there isn’t precedent. And even if you don’t like it, this is how the setting is presented.

Look at Andor. How much do they talk about Jedi?

“Hokey religions” and all that.

It's not that Han doesn't remember Jedi, he doesn't believe in the Force and think Jedi were charlatans: "simple tricks and nonsense". To me that scene is meant more to establish Han's character, rather than a statement on the galaxy at large.

The perspective we get at the beginning of the first movie is very skewed. Han's supposed to be the cynical, no-nonsense shady type, while Luke has been actively denied information on the Jedi by his guardians, for obvious reasons.

After all, in the same movie we see Han's beliefs were not universally shared: at the end of the Death Star attack briefing, the speaker dismisses the pilots with "May the Force be with you". In Rogue One we can hear Rebels invoking the Force blessing a couple of times, and Ackbar does the same in Return. Not to mention the Guardians of the Whills in Rogue One, and Jin remebering that Kyber crystals were used for Jedi's lightsabers.

It makes sense for younger generations not to believe in Jedi/Force with most Jedi being dead, and the Empire actively repressing their mention, and some of the others will actually have bought into the Empire propaganda. After all, there are people who apparently believe Earth is flat or that we never went to the Moon.

But most older people will definitely have a reasonably accurate recollection of the old times; they simply keep quiet because discussing this stuff is at best useless, at worst can get you killed.

Also, you said it yourself. A large part of the population spent a long time hating and fighting the Old Republic because a Bad Jedi killed Uncle Bob, and now what? They just go "Actually, Uncle Bob just fell from a ladder when changing a lightbulb. My bad."?

 

[Morrus]

Really? Name three taliban leaders from 2002. You were at war with them at the time. You should easily be able to name them.

I repeat, if you conveniently eliminate the class of people I have heard of, yes the ones left will be ones I haven’t.

The analogy to a Galaxy-spanning war ending in a galaxy-wide regime change to an evil Empire is WW2 and the Germans. Not regional conflicts in far off places. And I can name Nazi leaders from then, as can you.

 

[Zardnaar]

You xan name the Nazi leaders but without Google or a book how much detail can you recall? And they're extensively written about Jedi not do much. There are copious amounts more Nazi leaders than Jedi.

Nazi leaders bad, Jedi bad. Can you go into detail off the top of your head those individuals philosophy. What made them tick, what about the individual gauleiters? Himmlers daughters name, how about the Gauleiter of Dresden?

And you grew up where they were extensively documented, filmed, open society and not actively buried.

Only equivalent I can think of is living in Nazi Germany trying to dig up details of Hitlers pre WW1 life or Stalins life pre 1914 during his reign.

Those details were actively suppressed, very few people knew and the ones who did weren't talking. Himmler knew details Tarkin did as well.

1937 Germany 25 years ago Hitlers pre war life 1912 or earlier. Living memory , famous figure. Average German inhabitant can learn.

New Disney canon once Vaders was Leias father leaked it sunk her career. Anakin and Padmes relationship was a secret, Hitler and Eva Braun wasn't common knowledge either.

That's what we're looking at. Yes Jedi existed, people knew they existed those details though......

No net though in Star Wars, no one interviewed Luke, every other Jedi is dead or in hiding, Bail died at Alderaan, Mon Mothma probably came up with may the force be with you in the rebel Alliance she knows a bit more.

Jedi weren't forgotten, Han doesn't know much and doesn’t believe in the tales.

 

[Maxperson]

They haven't been totally forgotten but for the most part they're not that famous.

You also grew up in a not totalitarian regime which was encouraging you to forget or imprisonment if you don't.

People know about Jedi they don't know the Jedi and even when they were around they were super rare.

Ahsoka timeline is 27 years after order 66. Without looking it up can you recall the name of various generals in a mid 90s war eg Chechnya or former Yugoslavia.

10 to 1 odds that the people of Chechnya and Yugoslavia remembered the names 27 years later. I'm not sure what names have to do with anything, though. We're talking about the claim of being Jedi, not a claim of being <insert name of some Jedi here>. The shuttle didn't claim specific names, only that they were Jedi.

 

[Zardnaar]

10 to 1 odds that the people of Chechnya and Yugoslavia remembered the names 27 years later. I'm not sure what names have to do with anything, though. We're talking about the claim of being Jedi, not a claim of being <insert name of some Jedi here>. The shuttle didn't claim specific names, only that they were Jedi.

Yup people in Yugoslavia or where probably do remember. They were directly involved.

But that's what I'm saying comparatively few people directly experienced those events. Mostly clone troopers and starship crew often clones. In the outer rim with one battle at Coruscant.

A few polititian types, clones and the randoms who met the Jedi here and there. Most of the randoms wouldnt see the Jedi using force powers. Clones did they served empie theyre not talking to much. Out of trillions that's it.

 

[Maxperson]

Also the clone wars were fought mostly outer rim. Kinda like Iraq to average American. Wars far away and very few Jedi who mostly interact with clone troopers.

I'm not sure how many workds are in the Empire new canon. Before the clone wars there's enough Jedi to have one on every 100 worlds basically 1 in a hundred. They're outnumbered 2.5-1 by Star Destroyers. No obscure sect on Earth is comparable. I think Disney Empire is bigger but not 100% sure.

That's far more than are needed over 25,000 years to appear on every planet many times, being recorded in writings, videos, memories, stories, etc. They are constantly moving around protecting and helping, not sitting on 1 planet out of 100.

Jedi surviviors are something like 200. That's 1 in 50 Jedi survive the clone wars. One in 5000 worlds or 125 star destroyers per Jedi.

Ahsokas set 27 years after that totalitarian regime for 22 of those years and there's no galactic wide internet to Google it.

You don't need a galactic internet. You just need individual planets that would have recorded histories and their own versions of an internet, so pretty much all of them.