AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[Zardnaar]

This statement tells me that I think you're missing the point. weavers, farmers, etc? Even ignoring the very important contextual difference that one is happening now and the others happened 100 years ago---they didn't lose their jobs to a process that steals their labor in order for the new process to even work. Not only are artists losing their jobs, they are losing it to something that takes their work without permission or compensation. That's the point. Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder if some folks even know how AI art and writing works. It literally cannot exist without taking millions of images. Art isn't created just from words. Without the art it used, AI art can't produce anything.

I think a lot of artists have jumped on computer tools for images which has driven down the price and produced lots of derivative, generic and boring pieces.

If you want to be an artist might be time to teach yourself oil painting. Or carving.

I don't buy art but know people that do. It's not CGI type pieces they're buying its oil painting, sketches things like that.

 

[Scribe]

It is always great that we can replace several years of education and practice by the push of a button.

No it isnt.

Or perhaps you wish we go back to ancient times where everything that needed to be done had to be done by hand?

Craftsmanship over mass produced plastic crap? Sure.

 

[Scribe]

You know if we changed the title of the thread to "Jobs are being outsourced to AI"

Do you work in an industry which is built on a ton of outsourced labour?

 

[trappedslider]

I think a lot of artists have jumped on computer tools for images which has driven down the price and produced lots of derivative, generic and boring pieces.

If you want to be an artist might be time to teach yourself oil painting. Or carving.

I don't buy art but know people that do. It's not CGI type pieces they're buying its oil painting, sketches things like that.

I know one person who due to issues is unable to do the full art experience and so uses MS paint to follow along with Bob Ross

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder if some folks even know how AI art and writing works.

Do you know how a Jacquard Loom works?

There are many ways AI can create art. And many more yet to be invented. You are talking about one specific way. A long way back I asked you that if the AI was creating art without referencing the work of other artists then would you still object. You did not answer. How the AI creates art is irrelevant. The point of art is in the creating, not the owning.

Fortunately artists are generally well educated, and should have little difficulty finding alternative employment (at least in the short term, until AI replaces those jobs too). And they can still enjoy creating art in their free time.

 

[Zardnaar]

I know one person who due to issues is unable to do the full art experience and so uses MS paint to follow along with Bob Ross

That's fine AI says hello. If they're trying to make money they better gave a reliable customer base.

Fantasy type any to me gas looked very bland since 2005ish. Everyone jumped on that band wagon.

 

[trappedslider]

That's fine AI says hello. If they're trying to make money they better gave a reliable customer base.

Fantasy type any to me gas looked very bland since 2005ish. Everyone jumped on that band wagon.

I don't know if he makes money off of it or just does it to pass the time or whatever. I just thought it was cool how he was going about to get the joy of painting

 

[Sacrosanct]

I don't buy art but know people that do. It's not CGI type pieces they're buying its oil painting, sketches things like that.

I've been hiring artists for about 25 years. I know a lot of other publishers who do, and I know personally and am friends with dozens of artists. You're absolutely incorrect. Between game publishers, ad companies, and everyone else, I'd bet 99% of art purchased is done digitally. Even trad art is captured digitally so it can be used in publications and materials. Heck, in my hard drive alone I have almost 10,000 images of art I've hired or paid for over the decades. I've got about a dozen actual paintings (and those are mostly prints not original paintings). A quick look at DTRPG and the flood of new products coming out, and CGI/AI is everywhere. Daz3d and Poser were popular 20 years ago long before AI art. Most animation has been CGI for decades.

Do you know how a Jacquard Loom works?

Does it require taking the work of a person without permission or compensation to create anything?

There are many ways AI can create art. And many more yet to be invented. You are talking about one specific way. A long way back I asked you that if the AI was creating art without referencing the work of other artists then would you still object. You did not answer.

I didn't? Can you point me to that? That seems odd that I'd miss that because AI can't produce art without existing images. It's impossible. I'd have told you it was a moot question.

How the AI creates art is irrelevant.

Absolutely not. That's the whole point. AI art programs cannot produce anything. Not a single image without a database of existing art. And seeing as how we have the founder of MidJourney admitting they use art without permission, MidJourney employees discussing in a private discord how to take this art without permission and "launder" it (their words) to try to trick traceability, and ChatAI saying it can't exist without using others' words, it's absolutely clear and without debate what the issue it and why people are upset about it.

 

[Scribe]

I should also note, that the idea 'outsourcing' is the same as AI work, is flawed from the get go.

Outsourcing, is another human doing the job, cheaper. Bad for me, but still a human.
AI, is humanity being replaced. Bad for everyone but the wealthy who dont need to work anyway.

 

[trappedslider]

AI, is humanity being replaced. Bad for everyone but the wealthy who dont need to work anyway.

And what about those who for whatever reason CAN'T work?