AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[trappedslider]

Since we don't have an AI megathread in this forum, I'm going to post this again:

This guy won his state fair with AI art, the judges admitted that even if they had known it was AI he still would have won. The category he entered it was digital art. A category that from my quick searching only one state fair doesn't have, California.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...gence-art-wins-colorado-state-fair-180980703/

Jason Allen’s AI art won the Colorado fair — but now the feds say it can’t get a copyright

The U.S. Copyright Office has found previously that copyright law is meant to protect human authors, not machines.

www.cpr.org

Until something monumentally shocking happens in which the non-online populace has to deal with it, AI art and by extension Chatgpt, Bard etc are going to stick around as they currently are.

At this point I think the only thing that would make some folks happy is that AI stuff is treated like a nuclear power plant disliked by a ton of folks and hard as hell to build a new one if not impossible.

 

[Scribe]

And what about those who for whatever reason CAN'T work?

What about them? Are you suggesting we should all be on assistance and government support because some are?

 

[trappedslider]

What about them? Are you suggesting we should all be on assistance and government support because some are?

Not even close, I'm saying that for those who for whatever reason can't work AI can be a good thing.

Now Let's start crossing into gate keeping. Let's say for example: Bob for whatever reason can't make art (be it for physical reason, money reasons etc) but he can use midjourny and other AI tools to be the brush, paints, studio space, easel etc. Now is it bad that Bob was able to do this and on the off chance sell the outcome?

 

[Ryujin]

Force companies to train their AIs on works that are out of copyright and I bet virtually all of this goes away.

 

[dragoner]

Would it be cool if he stole your stuff? No.

 

[trappedslider]

Force companies to train their AIs on works that are out of copyright and I bet virtually all of this goes away.

first we need to overhaul how copyright works see the outcry over the pervious copyright extensions debates. Then we get to work on seeking permissions and compensating artist/authors.

 

[Scribe]

Not even close, I'm saying that for those who for whatever reason can't work AI can be a good thing.

And people also argue safe supply and decriminalization of hard drugs is a good thing for addicts on the street.

Now Let's start crossing into gate keeping. Let's say for example: Bob for whatever reason can't make art (be it for physical reason, money reasons etc) but he can use midjourny and other AI tools to be the brush, paints, studio space, easel etc. Now is it bad that Bob was able to do this and on the off chance sell the outcome?

Yes its bad, because Bob has the potential to now sit at home and have a computer generate thousands of images a day, replacing the effort and livelihood of dozens, and the day will come when AI can just have a call made to another AI, and Bob is replaced as well.

How many images have you created with AI? Do you save them? I have over 3K and those are just the ones I felt worked for what I wanted at the time. They take me zero effort, and I can have the tool generate them while I'm doing whatever.

Many of these images I would rate as better than what WotC paid someone to do, not all of course, but many.

How is that good for my fellow man?

 

[dragoner]

first we need to overhaul how copyright works see the outcry over the pervious copyright extensions debates. Then we get to work on seeking permissions and compensating artist/authors.

When Lincoln outlawed slavery, he did it with "people have the right to the fruits of their labor" in mind.

 

[dragoner]

Yes its bad ...

... art. To paraphrase Ken Kesey, what place does bad art have in a free society? It is real bad having to sift through a bunch of art, and get time and money stolen when you buy it by accident. The thing about artistry is that it does take talent, and when artists use the tools one can tell. Having a zillion ai pieces flooding places is like vandalism, people have to show some self control.

 

[Ryujin]

first we need to overhaul how copyright works see the outcry over the pervious copyright extensions debates. Then we get to work on seeking permissions and compensating artist/authors.

I think that's backwards and can cause irreparable harm to those artists. First, rein in the tech. Then work on the controls (copyright).