Spoilers Alien: Earth Spoiler Thread

I understand what the writers are getting at, but I don't believe it - for me great writing doesn't take me out of the story. I think it makes his character cartoonish.

....well, my rejoinder to that is .... waves arms at the round around ... have you been seeing what is going on? Maybe it's just me, but fiction isn't as weird as real life, and I'd argue that he's not as cartoonish as some of the examples we can easily find of the superrich in reality.

And in his case, he's a trillionaire, and the sole owner of one of the five corporations. So ... I totally buy it. More believable than the stuff I see in the news, I guess.
 

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Eh, I just watched season 4 of Fargo. It's not good. Otherwise, I agree with you. But I can;t call a series a masterpiece that has that season in it. The first two episodes of this series are promising but there is a lot of style over substance happening.

Most people argue that Season 4 is the worst season of Fargo, and Season 5 is a return to form.

I ... well, my first reaction to that is that if S4 is the worst, that's a pretty indicator of the quality. If you think of any series that has five+ seasons, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any other one that doesn't have a season that is worse than S4 of Fargo. If you don't believe me, go through any standard list of "Top 20" shows and you'll see. Most shows either have a really bad season at the beginning, or more likely, a bunch at the end. Most of the exceptions are three- and four- season shows. I've done this exercise before. ;)

As for me, I happen to agree that it's the least of the seasons, but I disagree that it is bad. I'd argue it's actually pretty good- but I think that the tonal shift and different focus alienated some viewers who wanted more of what 1-3 served.

If anything, I'd argue that the main reason it is just a shade below the other seasons wasn't the ambition, the acting, or even the shift- it was the pacing. But it didn't make it bad; just not quite as good as 1-3, 5.

Personally, my order would be ...
S2
S5
S1
S3
S4

But I'm open to arguments. Most people liked S5, but I really thought it was amazing. But that's, just, my opinion man.
 

Most people argue that Season 4 is the worst season of Fargo, and Season 5 is a return to form.

I ... well, my first reaction to that is that if S4 is the worst, that's a pretty indicator of the quality. If you think of any series that has five+ seasons, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any other one that doesn't have a season that is worse than S4 of Fargo. If you don't believe me, go through any standard list of "Top 20" shows and you'll see. Most shows either have a really bad season at the beginning, or more likely, a bunch at the end. Most of the exceptions are three- and four- season shows. I've done this exercise before. ;)

As for me, I happen to agree that it's the least of the seasons, but I disagree that it is bad. I'd argue it's actually pretty good- but I think that the tonal shift and different focus alienated some viewers who wanted more of what 1-3 served.

If anything, I'd argue that the main reason it is just a shade below the other seasons wasn't the ambition, the acting, or even the shift- it was the pacing. But it didn't make it bad; just not quite as good as 1-3, 5.

Personally, my order would be ...
S2
S5
S1
S3
S4

But I'm open to arguments. Most people liked S5, but I really thought it was amazing. But that's, just, my opinion man.

Is this in the right thread?

Anyway, every single season of Fargo is amazing and not sure what to make of anyone who liked the show enough to watch all five season saying any of them is bad.
 

Loving the show more and more with each episode.
Fantastic writing, especially the dialogue.

Between this and Andor S2, Sci-fi fans have been eating well this year.

Edit: just wanted to add: Morrow is such a great character.
 
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If anything, I'd argue that the main reason it is just a shade below the other seasons wasn't the ambition, the acting...
I agree that the pacing is odd, but I also think the casting is bad. Specifically, I do not buy Chris Rock or, especially, Jason Schwartzman as mob bosses - I kept thinking "hey, it's like the kid from Rushmore wrote and starred in his own mob show rather than Viet Nam epic."

Fargo (the TV series) always has an affected, semi magical realist style, but Season 4 becomes nonsensical, IMO. For me, the dandified party scene in episode 2 of Alien:World channeled that vibe too much - I just don't believe that an entire spaceship can cut a building in two and a whole room of people, metres away, just keep partying without a clue. I understand the point the writer is trying to make about society, but it's a weird fit with the Alien franchise. It's like we suddenly got a scene from Brazil.
 
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For me, the dandified party scene in episode 2 of Alien:World channeled that vibe too much - I just don't believe that an entire spaceship can cut a building in two and a whole room of people, metres away, just keep partying without a clue. I understand the point the writer is trying to make about society, but it's a weird fit with the Alien franchise. It's like we suddenly got a scene from Brazil.

Huh. So, I didn't read that scene as magical realism. IIRC, they had already established that the spaceship crashed into the base, and that this was taking place at the top (Hermit took the elevator, Wendy went up a bunch of stairs, etc.). It's been "a while" (not sure how long, but at least a few hours) since the impact, and there is no damage there. If you were partying in your own deluxe room, it probably measured as a brief tremor or something.

I've dealt with evacuations. And while I've admittedly never seen a French-themed party like that (which was certainly chosen for a reason!), I've seen equally weird, if not weirder things- and this includes people that refuse to evacuate, have no idea that there's an emergency going on, and are totally in their own world.

IOW, when I think of magical realism ... well, to avoid Fargo ( @Older Beholder ) .... I think of ... oh, let's say Pan's Labyrinth. Or Love Lies Bleeding. Where the supernatural elements are blended into the realism without comment. On the other hand, the use of jarring elements that are not, in themselves, fantastical are usually things that I think are used as world expanders.

By world expanders, I mean this- typically, when we watch fiction, we have expectations in that fiction. Those expectations can either be met, or if there are established conventions that we expect to be met, they can be subverted. In either case, they are consistent with the fiction's world.

To use two examples from A:E.
We are shown Hermit. We are shown Wendy. We are told that they are (or were) siblings. We shown the spaceship crash into the building. We have an expectation that, following fiction norms, they will both be sent to that building, and they are.

We are shown the Maginot at the beginning. We are introduced to the crew. We are given the signifiers of the original Alien movie. We have an expectation that we will be with that crew (and what will happen) that is almost immediately subverted to bring us to the primary narrative.

On the other hand, world expanders are narrative devices that try to break the mold of these expectations that we have for fiction. To say, "Hey, there is a world out there that isn't just what is going on in the story."
One common example of this is the "dangling plot point." This was used masterfully, and repeatedly, in Mad Men. Fiction and fictional characters are fake, but by repeatedly leaving things unresolved (like in life) it tries to more closely mimic reality, not fiction.
Another one is the jarring encounter. In a traditional horror narrative, of course you wouldn't have that encounter! You wouldn't open that door and expect ... WTF? It's the dystopian future. And yet, it happened. It reminds you that there is a world not beholden to the needs of the narrative.*


*Even though it does advance a thematic element, and it ends up mattering, the employment of it is a deliberate device.
 




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