And the title of Episode III is...

[John Crichton]

Which leads to what I said all along Fall of the Jedi.
1. Anakin falls to the darkside
2. Jedi fall into oblivion

"Fall of the Jedi," that works for me. It works in the same way that "Balance of the Force" works for me. I always liked how the prophecy of Anakin being the one to "bring balance" was looked at as a positive thing, at least Qui-gon seemed to think so. When in reality, the prophecy will come through and it will be a cleansing. Anakin will bring balance by basically leaving 2 Jedi and 2 Sith alive when all is said and done. "Balance of the Force" is my favorite at the moment (I think someone else mentioned it but I've been thinking that could be a title since Episode One).

Also this could have been a succesfull leak and George could just change the title now and we would nnot be aware of it.

I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. But more likely than not it is just a hoax or propaganda, like mp3s with beeps or repeats. Not that I know anything about those things...

 

[Taelorn76]

"Fall of the Jedi," that works for me. It works in the same way that "Balance of the Force" works for me. I always liked how the prophecy of Anakin being the one to "bring balance" was looked at as a positive thing, at least Qui-gon seemed to think so. When in reality, the prophecy will come through and it will be a cleansing. Anakin will bring balance by basically leaving 2 Jedi and 2 Sith alive when all is said and done. "Balance of the Force" is my favorite at the moment (I think someone else mentioned it but I've been thinking that could be a title since Episode One).

I am still sticking with my pick Fall of the Empire (shameless plug ), but Balance of the Force does sound good with that explanation.

 

[Welverin]

"Fall of the Jedi," that works for me. It works in the same way that "Balance of the Force" works for me. I always liked how the prophecy of Anakin being the one to "bring balance" was looked at as a positive thing, at least Qui-gon seemed to think so. When in reality, the prophecy will come through and it will be a cleansing. Anakin will bring balance by basically leaving 2 Jedi and 2 Sith alive when all is said and done. "Balance of the Force" is my favorite at the moment (I think someone else mentioned it but I've been thinking that could be a title since Episode One).

Except you're assuming that when Lucas says balance (through the characters) that he means an equal number of Jedi and Sith, and what's your reasoning and support for that? It doesn't have to be refering to that.

 

[John Crichton]

Except you're assuming that when Lucas says balance (through the characters) that he means an equal number of Jedi and Sith, and what's your reasoning and support for that? It doesn't have to be refering to that.

Balance could mean either of 2 things: Either a balance of power or a balance of numbers. Both essentially happen.

The only 2 Jedi left after the purge are Obi-wan and Yoda. Both are powerful Masters but are in exile. The Emperor and Darth Vader are the remaining Sith. I would say that the 2, combined, are equal in power. Yoda is about the same as Palpatine and Vader and Obi-wan are about the same. Sure, one may be just a little bit more powerful because of their position (that would be the Sith) but the Force ignores that.

So, in both in number and in mastery of the Force things are balanced after the Jedi Purge.

And I do think there is a bit more to the whole 'balance' thing than that but it's the best I can come up with based only on the films, not that I would want to reference anything else.

 

[Welverin]

Balance could mean either of 2 things: Either a balance of power or a balance of numbers. Both essentially happen.
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This is what I meant by assuming you know what Lucas means by balancing the force. While it makes sense to a normal person, or maybe just gamers/D&D players, but it doesn't seem to be what's implied in the movies.
I'll go back to my spinning plate analogy from a while back. So imagine you're happily spinning a plate on your finger, it's perfectly balancing and spinning real good and then some bully wanders by and decides to throw some mashed potatoes onto your plate and all of a sudden it's thrown out of balance and falls off your finger.

The plate represents the force and the mashed potatoes represent the sith (or other darksiders), the sith are like a stain on the force and their presence gums up the works, eliminate them and everything is ok.

This works well with what we've learned from the movies and maintains the prophecy and Anakins place within it. When he turns away from the darkside and kills Palpatine he destroys the remaining sith and cleanses the force. After all the only canon sith are Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Vader. Maul and Sidious we know die along with Vader after his redemption, and it?s safe to assume Tyranus will as well.

 

[John Crichton]

This is what I meant by assuming you know what Lucas means by balancing the force. While it makes sense to a normal person, or maybe just gamers/D&D players, but it doesn't seem to be what's implied in the movies.
I'll go back to my spinning plate analogy from a while back. So imagine you're happily spinning a plate on your finger, it's perfectly balancing and spinning real good and then some bully wanders by and decides to throw some mashed potatoes onto your plate and all of a sudden it's thrown out of balance and falls off your finger.

The plate represents the force and the mashed potatoes represent the sith (or other darksiders), the sith are like a stain on the force and their presence gums up the works, eliminate them and everything is ok.

Perhaps I am misreading you (entirely possible) here - I don't understand where this balance conversation is going. It sounds like we are agreeing but then I don't get the original point. Pardon my idiocy for a moment and humor me.

This works well with what we've learned from the movies and maintains the prophecy and Anakins place within it. When he turns away from the darkside and kills Palpatine he destroys the remaining sith and cleanses the force. After all the only canon sith are Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Vader. Maul and Sidious we know die along with Vader after his redemption, and it?s safe to assume Tyranus will as well.

That's the beauty of the Chosen One prophecy. Most folks think it's talking about Vader killing Palpatine. I think this is false as it doesn't bring balance. With no Sith, the balance is still off. There must be Light & Dark. The lack of one throws things off track. So the prophecy is referring to the Jedi Purge (I think) and not Vader betraying Palpatine. I could be wrong (the 3rd film should answer this) but that's one of the ways I like to think of it.

 

[Taelorn76]

The plate represents the force and the mashed potatoes represent the sith (or other darksiders), the sith are like a stain on the force and their presence gums up the works, eliminate them and everything is ok.

I would have to agree with what John was saying. You can not have balance in the force without a darkside. By your theory, if all Jedi were destroyed then there would be balance as well. A way I like to look at it is if there was no evil, how would we know what is good? You need one to keep the other in check(balance). Now does it mean the balance is two jedi and two sith, who knows? Will we really ever find out? I hope so, but that is all up to George.

Fall of the Jedi

 

[Desdichado]

I would have to agree with what John was saying. You can not have balance in the force without a darkside. By your theory, if all Jedi were destroyed then there would be balance as well. A way I like to look at it is if there was no evil, how would we know what is good? You need one to keep the other in check(balance). Now does it mean the balance is two jedi and two sith, who knows? Will we really ever find out? I hope so, but that is all up to George.

The Star Wars stories have always been about good overcoming evil, not about the need for some cosmic "balance" between good and evil. I think the spinning plate analogy is probably the one that Lucas will use. The Dark Side inherently unbalances the Force, the light side is already balanced. The Jedi have always been about finding their balance; their spiritual center, so to speak. The very presence of the Dark Side threatens the balance of the force.

 

[Welverin]

The Star Wars stories have always been about good overcoming evil, not about the need for some cosmic "balance" between good and evil. I think the spinning plate analogy is probably the one that Lucas will use. The Dark Side inherently unbalances the Force, the light side is already balanced. The Jedi have always been about finding their balance; their spiritual center, so to speak. The very presence of the Dark Side threatens the balance of the force.

See, Joshua gets it!

John, I don't fault your logic, it makes sense to me, but it's not where Lucas seems to be going with things. I was simply trying to provide an explanation tat fits how things are viewed in the movies, and an even number of darksiders and light siders doesn't seem to fit.

Remember that in Ep1&2 there's a definite implication that things have only got bad recently (if not outright stated), which means they were perfectly fine for a thousand years or so with a drasctic difference in numbers.

 

[d4]

here's another analogy along the lines of the spinning plate:

you are walking across a very narrow bridge. if you have balance, that doesn't mean you are 50% on the bridge and 50% falling off -- it means you are firmly on the bridge. (on the bridge = following the Light Side, falling off = following the Dark Side.)

similarly, if your body is "balanced," it doesn't mean you are 50% healthy and 50% sick. it means you are completely healthy. likewise, if someone is mentally balanced, it doesn't mean they are 50% sane and 50% crazy; it means they are completely sane.

when i hear the Jedi talking about "bringing balance to the Force" what i get out of it is bringing a sense of harmony, peace, serenity to the Force. in other words, reducing or eliminating the power of the Dark Side. it doesn't (to me) sound like they are talking about making sure the Light and Dark Sides are equally powerful or represented.