Angel 4/16/03 --Spoilers!

[Kid Charlemagne]

My favorite part:

"Where did all those people go?"

"I ate them."

"Cool."

 

[Tiberius]

Well I missed the last five minutes, but otherwise what I saw, impressed the hell out of me. Still not sure what the hell Jasmine is...but I keep thinking "Man she's like an aspect of Law." Or maybe is a concrete example of D&D alignments in a show. (In this case Lawful evil with the whole "I love you" thing going down there.) Course my favorite line was from Lorne. "And now the part of Judas Isariot will be played by Lorne, son of blah-blah of the Deathwah clan."

I dunno, I don't often associate maggoty-faced undead-looking uberbeings with being embodiments of law. The Vorlons kinda cornered that market. I think he said "And now the part of Judas Iscariot will be played by Kevlorne Swath of the Deathwalk clan", using his full name rather than the truncated "Lorne" he often uses when not on Pylia. I've only seen the ep once, though. It was a great line. And a well timed reference, given that it aired the day before Holy Thursday.

-Tiberius

 

[Henry]

--Angel and Connor singing Mandy as a duet was without a doubt the funniest scene of Angel in 2003, for me.

---I was deeply impressed by Fred's "magic bullet" trick. The second she aimed and said "I'm Sorry", It hit me like a ton of bricks what she was going to do. ("bullet time" was well done.)

--I had to raise a Spock-like eyebrow at the whole Angel/Fred kiss thing.

Fred:"Do you think it convinced them?"
Fred:"It convinced me."

HUH?!?!

--Lastly, I can sympathize with the whole group about the Jasmine Illusion. While it's better knowing the truth about something bad, it's usually not nearly as fun.

Here's to 4 (3?) more fantastic episodes!

 

[Pielorinho]

I actually think the cure *did* work on Connor -- sort of. It cut him off from the Everlasting Love of Jasmine, made it so that he wasn't a part of the hive mind anymore.

But from Connor's twisted perspective, this is a curse, not a blessing. He's been betrayed by everyone he's ever loved, and he can't bear to think that Jasmine has betrayed him. So instead, he believes that his "friends" have done a spell to cut him off from the Good that is Jasmine, and that she still must be goodness incarnate, even though he doesn't feel that way any longer.

He's a poor dumb schmuck, sure. But he's desperately trying to find *something* to believe in, and Jasmine's his latest attempt at that; he won't give up his belief easily.

Daniel

 

[Michael Sorensen]

I was under the impression that since Connor was under the same protection as Cordie was. When they attempted to "cure" him of the mind-control, we realize that he ISN'T under any mind-control -- he has made a concious choice to side with Jasmine (which, in my mind, is far darker and creepy). His turn to the dark side is now complete, or something.

 

[Pielorinho]

I was under the impression that since Connor was under the same protection as Cordie was. When they attempted to "cure" him of the mind-control, we realize that he ISN'T under any mind-control -- he has made a concious choice to side with Jasmine (which, in my mind, is far darker and creepy). His turn to the dark side is now complete, or something.

Possibly, but after they did the cut-and-smear ritual on him, he got a look of horror on his face as he said, "Jasmine...." I took that to be his moment of realization that she wasn't all that. If he never was under her mental control, then he wouldn't have looked so shocked after the ritual, I think. (And besides, he was definitely part of the group-think earlier, so he was at least partly under her control).

Daniel

 

[John Crichton]

I actually think the cure *did* work on Connor -- sort of. It cut him off from the Everlasting Love of Jasmine, made it so that he wasn't a part of the hive mind anymore.

But from Connor's twisted perspective, this is a curse, not a blessing. He's been betrayed by everyone he's ever loved, and he can't bear to think that Jasmine has betrayed him. So instead, he believes that his "friends" have done a spell to cut him off from the Good that is Jasmine, and that she still must be goodness incarnate, even though he doesn't feel that way any longer.

He's a poor dumb schmuck, sure. But he's desperately trying to find *something* to believe in, and Jasmine's his latest attempt at that; he won't give up his belief easily.

That's what I was thinking when I saw it and even before they gave him the blood. Connor has been the key all season. No reason to change it now. When he finally "gets it" is when Team Angel will win the day. And as others have almost said: Very Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader-esque. I love that formula.

 

[Pielorinho]

That's what I was thinking when I saw it and even before they gave him the blood.

Yeah -- as I watched them doing the ritual, I started muttering, "Oh no. Oh, no!" because I suspected what he was going to do.

Daniel

 

[John Crichton]

Yeah -- as I watched them doing the ritual, I started muttering, "Oh no. Oh, no!" because I suspected what he was going to do.

Sounds like you figured it out about the same time I did - When you see him blissfully being lead down the hall to the rest of the team. That's what telegraphed it for me. I believe it was done on purpose.

 

[Negative Zero]

Re: Re: Angel 4/16/03 --Spoilers!

But I posted it first.

aye, that you did, but you missed the combination, that Staffan caught/guessed. tho i suppose one could argue that it was your initial suposition that pointed him in the right direction. ... oh alright, you can have a kudo too.

[B---I was deeply impressed by Fred's "magic bullet" trick. The second she aimed and said "I'm Sorry", It hit me like a ton of bricks what she was going to do. ("bullet time" was well done.) [/B]

yep that was cool. i started wondering why she'd go back to the bookstore and not straight to the hotel, and when she walked behind the counter, i got it. that was deffintiely too cool.

...Is it that item that Gwen stole back in the beginning of the season ...

far as i recall the thing she stole was some dimension jumping doodad ... come to think of it, it seemed like the same thing Angel used to get to Skip two eps back, so maybe i'm confused ...

very interesting idea that Connor wasn't spelled in the first place ... a lot more interesting than "he's her dad so it won't work." that fact alone probably makes it more likely to be true in JossWorld

~NegZ