Another "women" venting thread.

Hijinks said:
And that "not very attractive" girl could be very smart, funny, fun to be with, and might always return your calls, but since she's "not very attractive," she's not worth an effort?

Maybe if you open your eyes to what's around you, you might find something you never knew you could have, that's ten times better than the woman you drooled over that treated you like poop.

But maybe you need a few years under your belt to realize that :)

It's sad, but a lot of guys think like this. I have a friend who's nearly 40 and single because he can't get a super-hot girlfriend. He thinks only total hotties are worth dating. His personality is such that it's hard for any woman to find him worthwhile, which leads him to a very bitter take on dating at all.
 

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Well I've heard of several studies that reflect that men's brains are wired to be focused on the visual, rather than the emotional; hence how men like p0rn more than women do (although I actually like it, but that's another thread :lol: ) Women go for a man who's kind, honest, financially stable, etc etc, rather than just the beautiful man. Not all women, by far, but studies have shown that women think with their emotions - "would he be a good provider or father?", "would he treat me right?" - as opposed to "is he hot?"

Don't get me wrong, we love to look at gorgeous men (Christian Bale, omgz!), but in the end we tend to stick with what's at home.

There are always women that don't apply to this philosophy - my best friend went through a lot of hot losers herself before she grew up a little and realized that concentrating solely on a man's looks is not going to get her a family and security like she was craving. She is also a smokin' hot woman in her own right, and yes, she treated men she considered "not worthy" like poop, yet they kept on comin' back to sit at her feet like puppies while she chased after hot guys with cool cars.

It's just the way we're wired. Men, in general, want hot bodies, long flowing hair and bee-stung lips (NOT ALL MEN, JEEZ don't flame me!!), whereas women want partners who are emotionally and intellectually in synch with them.
 

It's sad, but a lot of guys think like this. I have a friend who's nearly 40 and single because he can't get a super-hot girlfriend. He thinks only total hotties are worth dating. His personality is such that it's hard for any woman to find him worthwhile, which leads him to a very bitter take on dating at all.

I like to remind myself that evolution by natural selection is alive and well today. People who think they need a super-hot girlfriend that looks like a magazine ad will end up not giving rise to the next generation.

The ones who *get* super-hot girlfriends (which is a matter of subjective opinion, of course) are those that would probably settle for less, and those who can overlook other qualities about the person that would kill some of the rest of us.

I mean, I've had encounters with some beautiful women that you couldn't PAY me to pursue, just because....yipes. But I've had happy relationships dating girls more "aerodynamiclaly curvacious."

I forgot where I was going with this....nevermind. :D
 

Hijinks said:
Well I've heard of several studies that reflect that men's brains are wired to be focused on the visual, rather than the emotional; hence how men like p0rn more than women do (although I actually like it, but that's another thread :lol: )

Hijinks is my kinda girl! :D
 


All of which, of course, are as superficial and meaningless in their own way as hawtness.

How so? Not trying to argue in any way, just wondering what your meaning is. Can you clarify? :)


If you're just referring to women wanting men with more money, I don't disagree. I never, ever said that women's motives were entirely pure and altruistic. But "a good father" does not always (not even sometimes) mean "will he make enough money to support the family?" Women want a man who will help raise children according to a mutual shared belief and moral value system, not just a man to pay the bills.

Many women do look for a man to "take care" of them. I don't myself, but many do. I never said women who go only for rich guys are ever right, because they never are.
 

Eolin said:
When they flew me out (I love saying that!), I saw no zombies, Angels, or movie crews.

But everybody loved The Steelers.
I was in Pittsburgh on business a few years ago, and I have to say I was impressed by both the city and the female-hawtness quotient.

Good luck to you! ;)
 

Hijinks said:
And that "not very attractive" girl could be very smart, funny, fun to be with, and might always return your calls, but since she's "not very attractive," she's not worth an effort?

The pretty girl seemed to be all of these things.

The unpretty girl in my life is none of them. If she had been any of them, she and I would spend a lot more time together.
 


W00t! :)

How so? Not trying to argue in any way, just wondering what your meaning is. Can you clarify?

'twould be my pleasure!

I mostly meant that we are all pretty superficial creatures when first considering someone. Not that that's a bad thing by any means, but that a lot of time what we first look for in a person doesn't tell you anything about their deapth as a person.

Men may judge their prospective mates on an impossible ideal of feminine beauty and behavior. They mythical 36-24-36, frex. It's like the idea that everyone knows what a circle looks like, but no one can draw a perfect circle freehand, so the closer a drawn circle is to this ideal form, the more asthetically pleasing it tends to be. Everyone knows it's shallow and kind of empty in the end, but it's there at the beginning. When you're in a relationship deep enough, you're going to see the little flaws and little uglies, and then the imaginary 1-10 scale doesn't apply anymore, because she's grown beyond the skin to something more meaningful. She's beautiful when she's ugly. She *becomes* your new ideal, based on what deeper qualities she has that keep you interested once you, say, notice the hairy birthmark on her back. After you get more deeply entangled, you think that just makes her more beautiful to you. She becomes the woman who can look good in baggy sweatpants, the woman who has a certain grace just laying beside you at night, the women who, when she's sweaty and smelly and maybe has put on a few pounds since you first met her, is still, to you, perfect.

While men may rank women on that 1-10 appearance scale as their shallow first glance, women (I'm going from word-of-mouth here, not from experience being a woman. :)) tend to do the same thing, but replace "mythical good looks," with, perhaps, "mythical confidence." Men have a perfect mental physical form that no woman ever really can match, and women have a perfect mental 'alpha male' that no man can ever really match. A powerful, confident man, master of his world, head of his class, with the respect and admiration of his peers, at the top of his game and able to deal with anything without loosing his cool. He's knowledgable and witty, able to make you feel like a more confident person just by being NEAR him. Money is part of it (becuase money makes one more confident), but so is ego, success in general, acting talent, ability to provide (because that, like money, breeds an automatic confidence), and how you treat girls "right" (e.g.: you DON'T worship the ground they walk on), etc.

That's just as shallow and empty in the end as good looks, because just as a woman dresses to kill when going out on the market, a man will cultivate a confidence that he can show off (which is where I usually fall flat, myself -- my life hasn't taught me to be prideful about myself). This is just as much preening and cawing as a woman who spends an hour getting ready to go out for the night, it's just in a slightly different direction. It's about demonstrating mastery and skill in the world, not about just being lovely yourself. The more "alpha male" a guy tends to be, the more automatically attractive to women he is, just like the more "perfect 10" a girl tends to be, the more automatically attractive she is to men.

And like men who find their women transcend that initial scale once you get to know them better, women (as far as I've seen) often find their men transcend their initial "alpha male" scale. They see their men fail, they see their men struggle, and that just shows how perfect for you he really is. Like a woman wrist-deep in garden fertilizer during a sweltering summer day while dressed in something her grandma handed down becomes the icon of beauty for a man, a man who "opens up" and "is sensitive" and "has an artistic side" becomes the icon of alpha male for a woman. This doesn't happen right away in a relationship, but it gradually comes as comfort increases and the partners come to realize that the other isn't the epitome of beauty 24/7, or is sometimes shy or affraid of things. The flaws become virtues.

Women who only go for rich guys are like guys who only go for near-10's. It's shallow and narrow. In an ideal world, both will be comfortable when they notice their partner ISN'T the dream date they were cracked up to be at first impressions. If they're the kind of guy to break up with a girl for gaining weight, or the kind of girl to break up with a guy for loosing big on his investments, then I think they're missing the point.

The problem isn't that girls are attracted to guys with money or confidence -- I can understand that, like I can understand guys that are attracted to girls with big cup sizes. The problem is when they refuse to look beyond these qualities, because no one is rich and confient when they've just been laid off because of budget cuts, and no one looks like a supermodel when dealing with a clogged garbage disposal.

It's part of life. People are multifaceted. The "only hot girls" guys and the "only rich guys" girls don't care about people as much as they care about their own status. Which, again, in itself, isn't WRONG. But it's definately not the way I'd like to live life.
 

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