arcane channeling +13th level DB + orb = 50 d6 +/-

[emanresu]

Im a elven build and was looking for something different. So far I have 13th Duskblade. I have looked at this class before, but overlooked the 13th level class feature. Am I right or can I now put a 15d6 orb (touch attack) into blade and then have this 1 spell trigger per strike? If I have 4 attacks with same weapon I have potential, if all it, to cause 15 x 4 = 60d6 damage?

am I right?

 

[Sekhmet]

That sounds about right. Duskblades are great.
Grab a Spiked Chain and go to town.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

RAW, I think the full attack channel can't have the spell hit the same creature more than once per casting.

Also, I thought you could only channel melee touch spells.


My unique idea for Duskblade was to combine it with Dervish and Whirlwind Attack to run around and hit every enemy I could pass by with a spell. Feat intensive, but if possible also a trip build with Elusive Target. That'd be fun.

 

[emanresu]

RAW, I think the full attack channel can't have the spell hit the same creature more than once per casting.

Also, I thought you could only channel melee touch spells.


My unique idea for Duskblade was to combine it with Dervish and Whirlwind Attack to run around and hit every enemy I could pass by with a spell. Feat intensive, but if possible also a trip build with Elusive Target. That'd be fun.

is there a magic item / weapon that channels spells to copy that of the DB's 13th ability?

 

[Sekhmet]

[MENTION=35909]StreamOfTheSky[/MENTION]
PHB2 just says "any touch spell you know", not specifying melee or ranged touch.
It doesn't say anything about being unable to be used against the same target multiple times per round (with the 13th level upgrade), just that "the spell affects each target you hit in melee combat that round".

 

[Empirate]

'Touch spell' always means a spell with a "range" entry of "Touch" in the spell description's header. A spell that just happens to function via a ranged touch attack doesn't qualify. You can only channel stuff like Chill Touch, Vampiric Touch, Shocking Grasp and so on.

"The spell affects each target you hit in melee combat that round" doesn't mean "the spell affects each target you hit in melee combat that round, as many times as you hit them". Important difference.

The most interesting optimization tricks to pull off with full attack channelling are to do with Otto's Irresistible Dance and Harm (good luck getting them on your spell list - but it's possible).

EDIT: [MENTION=35909]StreamOfTheSky[/MENTION]: why not use a three level dip in Binder with Paimon instead of Dervish? Your own idea in another thread, IIRC. Should work much more smoothly.

 

[Sekhmet]

I don't remember seeing that rule, [MENTION=78958]Empirate[/MENTION], regarding "touch spells" only being melee touch spells.
Also, your second point is open to interpretation. As written, it is ambiguous whether or not a spell can effect the same target more than once per round (so long as you hit them more than once).
I'm not interested in a Spirit vs. As Written debate, though.

 

[Empirate]

Fair enough, let's leave it at that. Just saying that I find it pretty clear-cut from the way they put it. You don't, so there's more ambiguity than I thought, obviously.

That said, Duskblades full attacking a target for a total of 200 damage per round at level 13 certainly isn't game breaking. A charging Barbarian with Pounce can do that several levels earlier, given the right feat selection. So go ahead, your game won't break down over it.

 

[Wyvernhand]

I'm like, 74.4% sure that there is an entry in the FAQ or errata that addresses multichanneling into a single target. The answer was a resounding no. That makes the ability almost worthless, IMO, just like Whirlwind Attack. If you get into a position where you are able to fully take advantage of it (surrounded), you are probably screwed anyway, and you'd be best off bursting one foe down rather than leaving yourself surrounded by several angry foes because HP>1 means good to go. If the foes were so weak what you could cleave through them all with an Channeled Full Attack, you have to wonder if they were really strong enough to warrent spending 13 class levels to get the ability.

And SotS is correct about touch vs ranged touch. They are not all just a subset of "touch" spells. They are different. The difference is in the range catagory. If it say "Touch", its a touch spell. If it says "Short/Medium/Long/X/anythingotherthanTouch" it's NOT a touch spell.

 

[emanresu]

Fair enough, let's leave it at that. Just saying that I find it pretty clear-cut from the way they put it. You don't, so there's more ambiguity than I thought, obviously.

That said, Duskblades full attacking a target for a total of 200 damage per round at level 13 certainly isn't game breaking. A charging Barbarian with Pounce can do that several levels earlier, given the right feat selection. So go ahead, your game won't break down over it.

How could a 10-Barbarian do that kind of damage, crits aside?
dbl str - 2 handed - great axe - power attack -im p sunder and even combat brute for a X3