Armour of Bahamut

[SableWyvern]

That being said, with a quick glance through the PHB, I don't see any powers that replicate the mechanic healing/inspiring word use ( a burst to target a single creature at range) so maybe you are onto something.

Yeah, looking through the Utility powers, Martyr's Blessing seems to be the only one that uses Burst without affecting everyone in the area of effect (and that is probably because it indirecly effects both a friendly and an enemy target), while plenty of powers that you would not expect to draw OAs are in fact listed as Ranged.

I may have to amend my stance and concede the point to Arbitrary on this one. P290 may in fact be a straightforward error.

 

[Arbitrary]

Don't go apologizing to me yet, my only position is that I'm pretty sure something went wonky somewhere. My gut tells me that much conflict stems from two halves of two prior versions of the rules coming together and messing things up.

If we go back to 268 it divides up Triggered Action Types into Opportunity Action and Immediate Action. It says under Immediate Actions that you cannot take one on your own turn. It does not say that under Opportunity Attacks. It doesn't say you can't take one on your own turn anywhere on 290 either.

The Ranger Encounter 3, Disruptive Strike can be used with a ranged weapon and is an immediate interrupt. It triggers when "You are an ally is attacked by a creature."

If a goblin walks up to a Ranger, and attacks, and the Ranger decides to use Disruptive Strike with a bow, does he then provoke an Opportunity Attack from the goblin who is currently mid-strike?

 

[Calidarien]

Although I do wish it was written out more explicitly, the lists of actions that you can do on your turn and on other turns are on PHB p.269. That list very strongly suggests that opportunity actions simply are not an option on your own turn.

 

[SableWyvern]

Don't go apologizing to me yet, my only position is that I'm pretty sure something went wonky somewhere. My gut tells me that much conflict stems from two halves of two prior versions of the rules coming together and messing things up.

I'm not apologising, but I am pretty convinced my original stance was wrong. Certainly, if ranged non-attack powers provoke, there are a bunch more powers that will need houseruling along the lines of AoB.

If we go back to 268 it divides up Triggered Action Types into Opportunity Action and Immediate Action. It says under Immediate Actions that you cannot take one on your own turn. It does not say that under Opportunity Attacks. It doesn't say you can't take one on your own turn anywhere on 290 either.

Actually, yeah, it does. Last sentence in the "Once Per Combatant's Turn" bullet point.

If a goblin walks up to a Ranger, and attacks, and the Ranger decides to use Disruptive Strike with a bow, does he then provoke an Opportunity Attack from the goblin who is currently mid-strike?

No, as per the bit on p268 that you missed.

 

[Ibixat]

well to be fair 268 is the definition of Triggered action types, of which an OA is one, the description of OA on page 268 even refers you to page 290 for a full description of OA's

Now to be more confusing, on page 268 it indicates ranged or area attacks, on page 290 it indicates only ranged or area powers as far as attack types triggering, which means on page 290 a ranged basic attack would not trigger an OA, but from page 268 it would, I think we basically have to take the two rules as cumulative since they are not exclusive or contradictory of one another.

 

[SableWyvern]

The problem is that if all ranged powers provoke, then every utility power that effects a single target provokes an OA. Meanwhile, every utility power that effects multiple targets does not, since they're all close bursts.

If it is intended that all ranged powers provoke, there should be more single target powers that use close bursts.

 

[Arbitrary]

They went well out of their way to say no immediate actions on other people's turns. They changed up the wording for Opportunity Actions. For opportunity actions it says one per combatant's turn. Why? There must have been a specific reason for the change in language. Isn't the goblin a combatant? It doesn't say enemy combatant. He certainly isn't a noncombatant.

Well, obviously that is just silly. It is language on holiday caused by a gap created through inconsistent wording in a system that loves its keywords.

Back to the discussion at hand -

Flipping through there are a number of non-attack powers that make me crane my head like a confused doggy when I think they are intended to provoke.

The Ranger uses Evade Ambush so his allies aren't surprised...and provokes.

The Warlock uses Fey Switch, a move action teleport, but it is a ranged 10 power and ranged powers provoke even though teleports do not.

A Warlord uses Knight's Move to give the target a move action as a free action...and provokes. Later on he uses Crescendo of Violence to give an ally temporary hit points after they land a critical...and provokes. He gives someone a saving through with Shake it Off...and provokes.

Man, Warlords provoke constantly.