Laurefindel
Legend
... along child molesters and people who talk at the theatre. I know.You know that there's a special place in hell reserved for you for coming up with that? I can't .... unsee ... that now.
... along child molesters and people who talk at the theatre. I know.You know that there's a special place in hell reserved for you for coming up with that? I can't .... unsee ... that now.
... along child molesters and people who talk at the theatre. I know.
That's not true at all, with one of their class features and a Feat, my 4e Bard was almost as good at his non-proficient skills as he was with his proficient skills. Now granted, the Bard had fewer "swing weapon at people" powers, though they did exist, but I was having too much fun kill stealing with Vicious Mockery to care. I could cast spells, heal allies, buff my friends, and make all the skill checks. If that's not versatility I don't no what is!4e threw the very concept of the Bard as a jack of all trades in a fire, and 5e spread the ashes and gave it one feature that bore the name that has only to do with skills.
The Bard in the last two editions was NEVER meant to be the jack of all trades as you knew it from 2e and 3e.
That was because they used the rogue XP table and gained levels much faster. Their power maxed out at that point though, whereas wizards' just went on growing. And growing. And growing.Fun fact:
Bards got their 6th level spells before wizards or clerics advanced to 7th level spells in ADnD 2nd edition.
hat was because they used the rogue XP table and gained levels much faster. Their power maxed out at that point though, whereas wizards' just went on growing. And growing. And growing.
Played Baldur's Gate 2? If you are a bard you will feel real sad.Yes... but as far as we were concerned, we usually retired our characters around that time (or even before that).
And up to that point, wizards were just behind and really short on hp usually.
Chances that a wizard made it this far were slim.
(My most powerful spellcaster was actually a bard/wizard class combination)
Played Baldur's Gate 2? If you are a bard you will feel real sad.
There are other casters that gained spells quickly, then capped out: druids, Black robed wizards of high sorcerery. They where good if the campaign ended early, but horrible if you kept on playing.
I would not compare computer game with a rpg, even if they use the same rules.
I don't consider level 12 in ADnD2e early... but that may vary from group to group. Which is why I was specifically talking about my experience.
It's equivalent to being a full caster up till level 12, then gaining nothing thereafter. I doubt that would be popular, even if a majority of campaigns end before that point. Players care about what their character could potentially do. Non-linier progression was not a popular feature, and was broadly considered unfair, which is why 3rd edition changed to 2/3 casters, keeping the maximum spell level but levelling out the progression.
I wouldn't call it "way faster". When the Bard is level 10 and the Wizard is level 9 (160,000 xp), the Wizard's Thac0 is one point worse. Let's be quite real here, Thief/Bard Thac0 is horrible for someone actually intended to attack things with weapons.
That's when a bard hits level 16, a wizard is level 13 at that point and already has a couple of 6th level spell slots and are close to hitting 14th level where they get 7th level spell slots.Technically, there are a few xp points where Bards get new spells first, like when they get their first 6th level spell. But yeah, getting spells on a Bard can be rough. At least Wizards can be specialists and get free spells on level up.