Battle Cleric Options is up

[UngeheuerLich]

Done.

Wasn´t trying to be offensive in my first post. But reading it again I can see your point. Sorry. And happy gaming.

 

[I'm A Banana]

They could have jiggered around with it more to balance it or to be sure superior weapons never outperformed them I guess, but it's cool to see something different in my opinion....

I'm actually pretty OK with superior weapons being...y'know...superior. Dude spent a feat on them, dude should probably get the benefit of them.

I like the restrictions. It adds interesting flavor to a class, and makes for the first time a weapon-primary character might actually seek out simple weapons instead of feating out of them at the first opportunity....I'd rather see the developers creating stuff that's new and of interest, than see them creating stuff that's bland and unfocused.

I don't know what the restrictions do that a bonus wouldn't. They both incentivize simple weapons, reducing the appeal of military or superior weapons. One does it by saying you'll be more awesome with simple weapons, the other does it by being all Soup Nazi on the characer: "NO SWORDS FOR YOU!"

I also don't see what's so bland or unfocused about a dwarf cleric of the god of the forge wielding a hammer instead of a mace (for instance). I doubt WotC meant to punish such a character type, but the weapon restrictions wind up doing it anyway. Just like the PHB "light blade required" powers punish the idea of a rogue wielding a club.

Again, not the end of the world, but certainly a little yellow in the snow.

 

[DracoSuave]

Use a staff. Hit things with reach. Get benefits.

 

[MerricB]

Yuck!

Awful, awful article, and it's because of the simple weapons requirement.

What's one of the key battle priest paragon paths? Oh, the Angelic Avenger.

What's its special ability? You gain proficiency in the heavy blade of your choice.

Seeing the battle cleric in my group being unable to benefit from half of this article is unbelievably stupid.

What makes it worse is that it actually makes a battle cleric either go with the powers in *this* article, which help simple weapons, or with every *other* strength power, which are better with superior weapons. It is forcing a false choice which is incredibly poor design.

 

[fuzzlewump]

Yuck!

Awful, awful article, and it's because of the simple weapons requirement.

What's one of the key battle priest paragon paths? Oh, the Angelic Avenger.

What's its special ability? You gain proficiency in the heavy blade of your choice.

Seeing the battle cleric in my group being unable to benefit from half of this article is unbelievably stupid.

What makes it worse is that it actually makes a battle cleric either go with the powers in *this* article, which help simple weapons, or with every *other* strength power, which are better with superior weapons. It is forcing a false choice which is incredibly poor design.

This Cleric Guide on char-op Whoops! Browser Settings Incompatible ranks 3 Strength-based paragon paths ahead of Angelic Avenger, with a lot of more of equal rank. It's annoying that the cleric in your party doesn't benefit as much, but at worst the Cleric should get Master at Arms(Heavy Blade Expertise isn't very good anyway)/Quickdraw or what have you and switch between a simple weapon and the superior weapon. Requires either two-weapons or the... weapon that can change into other weapons, I forget the name, and is certainly a price to pay. Or, just dual wield them, and take Battle Cleric's Lore to get the +2 shield bonus anyway.

Annoying to do, but awful article? Certainly not objectively, though I see it is bothering you and others.

 

[DracoSuave]

People crying because a class with simple weapon proficiency now has powers that show love for simple weapons?

It's a leader, not a striker. Why is it so important these powers must work with a mordenkrad?

Man. This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

I wouldn't classify it as "crying."

The single cleric archetype that has GOOD REASON to use better weapons because they are dedicated to battle and presumably so are their gods, is the one being either encouraged or flat out required to use simple weapons.

That doesn't strike you as illogical or invalidating of the usual tropes? The exact type of character that would most want to use their deity's favored weapon being built to be more effective when NOT doing so?

 

[DracoSuave]

I wouldn't classify it as "crying."

The single cleric archetype that has GOOD REASON to use better weapons because they are dedicated to battle and presumably so are their gods, is the one being either encouraged or flat out required to use simple weapons.

That doesn't strike you as illogical or invalidating of the usual tropes? The exact type of character that would most want to use their deity's favored weapon being built to be more effective when NOT doing so?

But... they can? And already have powers and a build for doing so?

And so making new powers that help a different archtype of battle clerics, i.e., the original archtype of cleric from the original game, to be effective in 4th edition is bad because......?

This 'usual trope' thing... you know it's only been a cleric thing for a small subset of 3rd edition clerics, right? That clerics of other domains and other editions never actually followed that trope?

 

[I'm A Banana]

People crying because a class with simple weapon proficiency now has powers that show love for simple weapons?

I think it's great that simple weapons get some love. I think it sucks that nobody else can do anything with some of the powers.

Third time: Incentives Yay, Restrictions Nay.

It's a leader, not a striker. Why is it so important these powers must work with a mordenkrad?

Cuz you might want to use a mordenkrad?

Man. This is why we can't have nice things.

Who's crying about what now?

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

I see both sides of this argument.

For the dwarf clerics of Moradin that want to use these powers... you can just refluff your mace or morningstar and call it a hammer. They benefit from a lot of the same feats (i.e. bludgeon expertise), and often have the same enchantments available to them.