Battlestar Galactica:Season 2; Part 4 NSCR/8.5.05

[Storm Raven]

Or members of the Quorum saw the witting on the wall that the military was/will be in charge and latached onto the first thing that might be used aginst Adama. That is why Zerak is hidding Roslin.

Or, they could have declared her insane, submitted to Tigh that arresting her was the right thing for Adama to do, but that he had no need to impose martial law any longer, as they would select a new President forthwith and calm the situation down. Given that Baltar was missing at the time, Zarek would likely have been selected, which would seem like the self-interested thing for him to do. But instead, he went along with Roslin.

 

[Truth Seeker]

A Special Request.

To Storm Raven and Elcliptic...

I see the passion that flies between thee both, and hence, you both are the perfect candidates to what is coming to be asked of you.

After this Friday coming, I will be away for two weeks, one week at Gen Con, and the other, away from the PC, as much as possible.

Therefore, I will like to see the maintained esp. prep pages continue, while I am away.

Storm Raven, ye is charged with the duty to post the esp. prep page for BSG Season 2, Part 6 August 19, with a quote, from the previous show (part 5.)

Elcliptic, ye is also charged, with doing BSG Season 2, Part 7, August 26, with a quote from Part 6.

I could have asked anyone else, but seeing the fires of thought and some unmentionables , I find that you both are fitted and able to handle such a gracious and honorable duty.

Thus, while I rest, the decision to approach thee in earnest, is a honest action, and no hidden agenda is not being sought.

If you both feel, that the burden is too heavy in acceptance...and seek to decline, your decisions will be respected, without any asked conditions.

Your response is awaited.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

It still is not definitive, but I now think I have something to make a stronger case for the 12 models referring to 12 human-like models of cylon.

From Beliefnet.com:

The Souls of Cylons
Ron Moore, executive producer of Battlestar Galactica, talks about the theology behind the Sci Fi Channel series.

The Cylon named Number 6 seems to be suffering from a Madonna/whore complex, talking about sin and redemption while leading Dr. Baltar to bed.

Part of that is who those characters are within the Cylon pantheon. We’ve said that there are only 12 models of Cylons, because the Cylons look at humanity and say there’s only 12 different kinds of human, when you get right down to it.

Six’s belief system and the way she practices it is very specific to her character and her model of Cylon. She is sort of a Madonna/whore made real and has a very strict, if odd, sense of God and what God wants. Leobon is more of a thinker and has a more esoteric idea of how things work in the universe. But they both proceed from the same root, that they both believe there is one God who sets everything in motion and has a real sort of impact and interaction with the universe.

This whole article is here: Obviously there is religious content on these pages.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16650_1.html

There is some interesting discussion about the one true god of the cylons later in the article.

 

[Fast Learner]

I'd read that when it was first posted, but it still left doubt for me that, you know, maybe "mechanical and unfeeling" is one type of human.

I'm in the 12 human models camp, but won't be stunned if it turns out to be wrong.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I'd read that when it was first posted, but it still left doubt for me that, you know, maybe "mechanical and unfeeling" is one type of human.

Good point. So how can we apply that to other models...

Raiders: Live fast, die young?
Base Ships: Overcompensating for an inferiority complex?

 

[Fast Learner]

LOL, excellent suggestions.

That is where the theory kinda fell apart for me.

 

[Elf Witch]

I have noticed that the subject of who is right and who is wrong on this Adama/Roslin issue is all over the boards and that it is causing flame wars as people defend their side.

I think they are both in the wrong. Adama had his mind up and would not budge when Roslin brought up the arrow. He was very closed minded about it. As Roslin going behind his back with Starbuck I understand why she did that the ship she needed was about to be destroyed and it was obivious that Adama does not care about finding Earth. But she should have gone to the Quorum for backing.

Once the deed was done Adama totally mishandled it. Instead of going to the Quoram and asking them to remove the President he sent armed men after her.

They both were counting on the other one to be bluffing. Well they were not i stead they behaved like strong willed children with the people of the fleet caught between them and it is the people of the fleet who are going to pay the heaviest cost for this.

 

[MaxKaladin]

The main point of contention here is that I fundamentally disagree with the notion that somehow, Adama's control of the military is independent of the civilian government.

I don't think it is. I don't think I'm going too far by saying that I suspect most people here would agree that the arrest was illegal by the Articles of Colonization. Rather, I think the main point of contention is whether he was right to arrest Roslin and I think this issue goes beyond the legalities of the arrest for many people. I think that the main point of contention is between those who think that the circumstances justified Adama's actions and those who don't.

 

[Rykion]

In regards to Tigh's wife, I definitely don't think she is a Cylon. I think she is ambitious and left Tigh years ago when she found out he didn't share her ambitions. She somehow survived the destruction of the Colonies, and returned to Tigh hoping he had become more power hungry now that he was 2nd in command of all the military. She found him content to stand behind Commander Adama, but she was introduced to a power hungry man, Tom Zarek. She killed or arranged for the death of Zarek's man that failed to kill the President. She wanted to introduce Colonel Tigh to some people she had met, but we never saw this happen. I believe that she might be working with Zarek to create turmoil and allow him to gain power. The President has been delivered into Zarek's hands. He might try to eliminate the President, or he might allow her to lead a rebellion in hopes of taking over after her death.

I believe that the Cylons want the Colonials to lead them to Earth. I'm not sure that they want to wipe out Earth. A cut scene on the first season DVD revealed that one of the lords of Kobol declared himself the only true god and this led to conflict on Kobol. Six's reaction seems to indicate that this is the Cylon god. I believe the Cylons are looking for Earth to see if the inhabitants are worshipping this deity.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I have noticed that the subject of who is right and who is wrong on this Adama/Roslin issue is all over the boards and that it is causing flame wars as people defend their side.

I think they are both in the wrong. Adama had his mind up and would not budge when Roslin brought up the arrow. He was very closed minded about it. As Roslin going behind his back with Starbuck I understand why she did that the ship she needed was about to be destroyed and it was obivious that Adama does not care about finding Earth. But she should have gone to the Quorum for backing.

Once the deed was done Adama totally mishandled it. Instead of going to the Quoram and asking them to remove the President he sent armed men after her.

They both were counting on the other one to be bluffing. Well they were not i stead they behaved like strong willed children with the people of the fleet caught between them and it is the people of the fleet who are going to pay the heaviest cost for this.

Well, I know for myself, between these two...together, they can rock...but right now, their seperate ideals is what keeping them apart.