Battlezoo Shares The OGL v1.1


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UngainlyTitan

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I am really not sure that’s true, and in fact if Paizo tries to ditch the OGL and republish, I’m reasonably sure WotC WOULD sue, and tie them in court long enough to kill them, because that would be the most precedent-setting case of any case WotC would care to wager.

Paizo’s best bet, in my non-lawyer opinion, would be to attempt to join or initiate a class-action with other publishers over the revocation of OGL 1.0a, because the lawsuit over “what is a game mechanic vs. what is art” is a MUCH larger endeavor than “can this license which everybody used to agree was irrevocable be revoked?”
I do not believe that this is a viable course from what I read on the lawyer threads but they could keep gong and defend their right to do so per the OGL 1.0(a) contract. It would be up to WoTC to prove that they can withdraw that contract.
 

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ilgatto

How inconvenient
I'm sure that most D&D fans haven't even heard about it yet.
Meanwhile, over at Dragonsfoot:

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UngainlyTitan

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According to rumour (screenshots of tweets I saw this morning somewhere, I can't find them right now), WoTC are currently in full Fuhrer Bunker mode. No one wants to speak up for fear of getting fired. It sounds as if they're paralysed. Sane people at WoTC know they ought to be issuing a conciliatory press release, but the boss is in Evil Emperor mode and they don't dare tell her. That's the rumour anyway.
We need the Downfall parody.
 

Cadence

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DF is a forum that has a very strong focus on playing old editions of D&D. Even retroclones don't have so much coverage. I'm not surprised that there's very little discussion of the OGL.

I mean, I'd be kind of surprised if there was lots of discussion in the 2nd Edition sub-forum...

That being said, there looks like there's only one thread on there anywhere? (General Messages / General Discussion).

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Apparently they have mods too...

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UngainlyTitan

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The reason I suspect Williams over Cocks is that Cocks headed WoTC for a while and never made any noises in this direction at the time. It seems to have only started when Williams came in. Then there was the leaked investor call. I don't think it's sexist to suspect that she is the prime mover on this.
That is the reason that I think that this is a board level thing. Which would explain the Furher Bunker stuff. Cocks was not planning to do this but get the top job and Hasbro is having a bad year by overgrazing the Magic meadow. Some wants monetization and to do that they need to kill the OGL, Cocks is Keitel, Williams is Jodl, Hitler, Goebbels and Boorman are the Hasbro board ;)
 




If you can't see how changing beer to chardonnay is sexist, you have a broken sexism detector.

Or possibly you have no idea what chardonnay is I guess, but then you were presumably perplexed by the meme.
I still don’t get how Chardonnay is sexist. Was “yuppy” the only time I remember it being something that you pointed out. A “Chardonnay Drinker” could be any gender in that context and a beer drinker would certainly outrank them. That is what I don’t get, why is that sexist? I mean, I drink Chardonnay occasionally and I am not a woman.
 

That is the reason that I think that this is a board level thing. Which would explain the Furher Bunker stuff. Cocks was not planning to do this but get the top job and Hasbro is having a bad year by overgrazing the Magic meadow. Some wants monetization and to do that they need to kill the OGL, Cocks is Keitel, Williams is Jodl, Hitler, Goebbels and Boorman are the Hasbro board ;)
It would be remarkably rare for a Board to engage in such low level tactics. They could give advice to the CEO that his targets are too low. This is not the CFO being caught running away with bags of cash and her handsome assistant over her shoulder level of managment crisis.
 

UngainlyTitan

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It would be remarkably rare for a Board to engage in such low level tactics. They could give advice to the CEO that his targets are too low. This is not the CFO being caught running away with bags of cash and her handsome assistant over her shoulder level of managment crisis.
The already had a board room battle to spin off Wizards as a separate public company. This may have been the response to that.
 

UngainlyTitan

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It would be remarkably rare for a Board to engage in such low level tactics. They could give advice to the CEO that his targets are too low. This is not the CFO being caught running away with bags of cash and her handsome assistant over her shoulder level of managment crisis.
In addition, the specifics of the plan may as a result of board or investor pressure. I mean there was an actual board level bun fight about Wizards.
 


ilgatto

How inconvenient
I don't follow. People have the PDFs and/or printed copied of AD&D. They don't need the OGL.
Well, being one of with a strong focus on playing old editions of D&D, I was suggesting that having a strong focus on playing old editions of D&D may not be such a bad thing.
Pray forgive the confusion. :)

Edit: Drat. That should, of course, be "being one with a strong focus".
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
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Which would explain the Furher Bunker stuff. Cocks was not planning to do this but get the top job and Hasbro is having a bad year by overgrazing the Magic meadow. Some wants monetization and to do that they need to kill the OGL, Cocks is Keitel, Williams is Jodl, Hitler, Goebbels and Boorman are the Hasbro board ;)

Mod Note:
I warned folks yesterday to stop such analogies. You have chosen not to listen. So, you are done in this thread.

Let us be clear - you are comparing a bad IP license with genocide. That's messed up - lacking all sense of proportion. It's insulting to those who actually bore the brunt of the real event.

So, don't do this, folks, or anything remotely like it.
 

Xohar17

Explorer
Not that folks won’t try, but without the OGL they’ll all have to stray too far from 5e’s mechanical basis to fill the same niche for a large enough portion of the fan base. We’re more likely to see lots of new fantasy heartbreakers with no clear frontrunner to take 5e’s place.
But suposedly you cant copyright mechanics or rules only the expresion of those mechanics itself, so someone can in fact make a game that plays exactly like 5e, but the rules are written differently, and it would be perfectly legal.
 


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