Battlezoo Shares The OGL v1.1

Battlezoo, the YouTube channel which shared the initial leak of the new Open Game License, has shared the PDF of the OGL v1.1 draft which is currently circulating. This draft is, presumably, the same document obtained by Gizmodo last week. It's not currently known if this is the final version of the license.

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[Nikosandros]

Proper champagne or the off brand knockoffs?

I was mostly making a joke, but I actually like proper champagne, but I don't drink it often.

 

[darjr]

Teos Abadia talks to Baldman Games about OneD&D. It looks like a regular stream they do. But at one point they talk about the OGL 1.1 and I think this pretty much confirms the rumors too. He pretty much says it's no good.

Baldman Games runs D&D at PAX, GenCon, Origins for WotC. They also run WinterFantasy. I think they are a WotC partner or if not might as well be.

 

[Zardnaar]

It makes me sad that no one seems to be growing and marketing sparkling wine from Champaign, Illinois - where the University of Illinois is.

(One article makes it sound like it, but its in Peru, IL and not using the name).

Here real Champagne is stupidly expensive (and not even that nice". And it's French!!!!

"Champagne_ usually means some off brand sweet and bubbly Aussie knockoff.

Apparently we make good wine but I'm not a wine fan outside sweet and bubbly from Aussie something and even then gotta be semi desperate.

 

[reelo]

The movie is called: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves.

HOLY CRAP....it's like they just told us how the OGL thing was going to go! They think the 3rd parties were stealing, and now they're stealing it back....whoah...forshadowing.

The last D&D tweet goes well with that too.

 

[darjr]

 

[Zardnaar]

The last D&D tweet goes well with that too.

War 2.0!!!!

 

[Beefermatic]

According to rumour (screenshots of tweets I saw this morning somewhere, I can't find them right now), WoTC are currently in full Fuhrer Bunker mode. No one wants to speak up for fear of getting fired. It sounds as if they're paralysed. Sane people at WoTC know they ought to be issuing a conciliatory press release, but the boss is in Evil Emperor mode and they don't dare tell her. That's the rumour anyway.

Unfortunately good to know. Smfh.

 

[Beefermatic]

Theres a petition being sent to WotC, might as well sign it. #OpenDND

 

[Yaarel]

I don't think there is any chance PF2 is the game. Not because it isn't good, or because Paizo isn't a strong company, but because it is too complex for the kind of casual players that have pushed 5E to its current heights. A PF3 would have to severely curtail the very elements that differentiate it from D&D, and even then there would be no guarantee of success.

My thinking is, if PF2 offers an equivalent to an OGL, 5e refugees can use the PRD and modify it to taste for a separate system. It doesnt need to be compatible with PF2. (But it might be, except the 5e Proficiency would be a larger number and so on.)

 

[Reynard]

My thinking is, if PF2 offers an equivalent to an OGL, 5e refugees can use the PRD and modify it to taste for a separate system. It doesnt need to be compatible with PF2. (But it might be, except the 5e Proficiency would be a larger number and so on.)

1) PF2 is derivative of the 3.5 SRD so it might be difficult to put out a "clean" version that would avoid a C&D.
2) PF2 is extremely tightly designed. It isn't as simple as picking it apart. If you tear out feats, for example, you have completely hobbled character generation.

 

[Alzrius]

Remember when Lorraine Williams was canonized as the savior of D&D in the aftermath of Gygax's complete mismanagement on these boards, just a few months ago when Slaying the Dragon was all the rage?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

But Baskin-Robbins always finds out.

 

[ilgatto]

Start with these

(Attachments)

So this basically says that you must sign up for This if you would want to dream up and sell anything relating to D&D and that anything you do dream up for D&D is actually ours because "We D&D, You you" and then you must pay us "some" of the large amounts of money you might make from it, while we are not going to pay you anything if we would publish your stuff unchanged and, also, we can change the "some" into anything we like at any time and then you're going to pay for any legal problems we may decide we might be in for any reason and, also, terminating this agreement isn't gonna change any of the above?

That's... interesting.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Sure, you are allowed to, but the sexism here is not obvious.

If you can't see how changing beer to chardonnay is sexist, you have a broken sexism detector.

Or possibly you have no idea what chardonnay is I guess, but then you were presumably perplexed by the meme.

 

[Konrad13]

Theres a petition being sent to WotC, might as well sign it. #OpenDND

Did yesterday!

 

[S'mon]

If you can't see how changing beer to chardonnay is sexist, you have a broken sexism detector.

Or possibly you have no idea what chardonnay is I guess, but then you were presumably perplexed by the meme.

Chardonnay - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yaarel]

1) PF2 is derivative of the 3.5 SRD so it might be difficult to put out a "clean" version that would avoid a C&D.
2) PF2 is extremely tightly designed. It isn't as simple as picking it apart. If you tear out feats, for example, you have completely hobbled character generation.

1) Right. The scenario would be, even tho Paizo and everyone else have the right to use the OGL 1.0a, Hasbro-WotC is an untrustworthy stewart. So later Paizo extricates the OGL from PF2, then offers a Paizo Open License, perhaps a form of CC with access to the PF2 RD.

2) 5e refugees would use the CC to modify the RD. Personally I would see if it could be a simpler build but still balance with PF2 characters at the same table. But it canbe a completely different system - it doesnt need to be the same asi PF2.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Chardonnay - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I should have included that yeah!

 

[Ruin Explorer]

1) PF2 is derivative of the 3.5 SRD so it might be difficult to put out a "clean" version that would avoid a C&D.
2) PF2 is extremely tightly designed. It isn't as simple as picking it apart. If you tear out feats, for example, you have completely hobbled character generation.

There are games which use Feats which aren't OGL, like Open Legend, and WotC has never come for them, so I suspect that particular example is fine. But yeah I think other stuff could be an issue.

 

[Reynard]

There are games which use Feats which aren't OGL, like Open Legend, and WotC has never come for them, so I suspect that particular example is fine. But yeah I think other stuff could be an issue.

The feats reference was more about how it might not be possible to streamline PF2 too much given how intricate it's design is.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

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Excellent work.