Beefing up the Alignment Domains

[Li Shenron]

Certainly so-- essentially, your first domain that grants turn/rebuke gives you your daily uses, and each domain that adds another creature type simply allows you to use those attempts on another creature type.

Actually I didn't mean to merge the daily uses with Turn Undead, and neither between different domains.

I only meant that the Good domain would grant Cha+3/day uses of either Turn Fiend or Rebuke Celestial, not Cha+3/day of each of the two.

Therefore I was thinking that if one has both the Good and Law domains, he would separately get Cha+3/day for Turn Fiend/Rebuke Celestial and another Cha+3/day for Turn Anarchic/Rebuke Axiomatic. This is how it works if you take both Fire and Earth domain: you get Cha+3/day for Turn Fire/Rebuke Water and another Cha+3/day for Turn Earth/Rebuke Air.

But if you think it would be going to far (perhaps because your campaign is FULL of those creatures), you can merge everything.

 

[Li Shenron]

Would this also apply to Divine feats?

About this, AFAIK you cannot use Divine Feats with the Turning abilities of elemental domains.

It would made some sense to allow those feats with Turn Outsider abilities. I still wouldn't do that to keep the balance, but if you want to do allow such a thing, keep an eye about possible overuse (a character having 3 different turning abilities, but using all of them only for Divine Might isn't that nice IMO).

 

[Li Shenron]

Alignment Domains have WONDERFUL domain powers. There's very few things better than +1 caster level. If you want to beef it up, all you need to do is give more spells alignment descriptors.

If you do as you suggest, that is to give Good, Evil etc. descriptor to many more spells, then the domain power can become indeed pretty good.

The point is that by the PHB there are VERY FEW SPELLS with alignment descriptor! That's why these domain powers, as by the PHB, are weak indeed. AND, +1 caster level is not that huge of a benefit if you think about it (save for some particular spells): at low level can be decent, but after 4-5 levels it usually doesn't make any difference.

 

[Nifft]

AND, +1 caster level is not that huge of a benefit if you think about it (save for some particular spells): at low level can be decent, but after 4-5 levels it usually doesn't make any difference.

At higher levels:
-> SR
-> Dispel checks
-> HD of affected critters (holy word and the like)

These things can be huge, IMHO.

-- N

 

[Li Shenron]

At higher levels:
-> SR
-> Dispel checks
-> HD of affected critters (holy word and the like)

These things can be huge, IMHO.

-- N

YMMV of course I usually don't see those as particularly powerful if they work only an a subset of spells. Definitely useful, but well worth for a domain power, especially since these domains are poor in spells.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

About this, AFAIK you cannot use Divine Feats with the Turning abilities of elemental domains.

If the domains grant additional turning attempts per day, then I suspect you're absolutely right-- that would be insane. The RAW seem unclear (no need for clarity since only the Cleric has Clerical domains), but leaning towards this interpretation.

If I adopt this houserule, I will be limiting the turn attempts to 3 + CHA mod for all applicable turning abilities, but allow any of them to power Divine Feats.

 

[The Great Bear King]

So Dominate Person would be Lawful Evil and Break Enchanment would be Chaotic Good if they were divine spells, right?

 

[Li Shenron]

If I adopt this houserule, I will be limiting the turn attempts to 3 + CHA mod for all applicable turning abilities, but allow any of them to power Divine Feats.

Of course! If you disallowed Divine feats from "merged turn attempts" you would be disallowing Divine feat altogether...

 

[Nifft]

So Dominate Person would be Lawful Evil and Break Enchanment would be Chaotic Good if they were divine spells, right?

IMHO: dominate person could be Lawful, and break enchantment could be Chaotic, but neither should be Good or Evil. I could see an LG Cleric using hold and dominate to accomplish justice with less violence just as easily as I could see a LE Cleric using them as preludes to coup de grace.

-- N