best way for melee to fight devils/demons

Hypersmurf said:


Potion of Fly? 750gp.
Gem of Seeing? 75,000gp.
Targetted Dispel Magic at will? Priceless.

-Hyp.
If you get a potion of fly made at 20th caster level, plain old dispel magic won't touch it (since the dispel check bonus maxes at +10 vs 11+caster level). Same for see invisibility.

20th level see invis potion: 2000
20th level fly potion: 3000

Know any 20th level wizards with the brew potion feat?
 

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I also have damage red. 10/+2 from the dragon armor I'm wearing, which means his hits won't hurt me as much as mine will hurt him.

Um, he has DR 30/+3, which means he ignores your DR.

If he's flying, and dispels your Fly and True Seeing, you're screwed.

Why "bleeding wounds"? As in Sword of Wounding? He's got Regeneration 5... if you don't have a holy or blessed weapon, it won't work.

If you get close, he can Teleport Without Error to a safe distance and start dispelling again.

-Hyp.
 


00durrin said:
I also have damage red. 10/+2 from the dragon armor I'm wearing, which means his hits won't hurt me as much as mine will hurt him.
Your DR will not stop him at all. He has DR 30/+3. His claws and teeth will cut through your armor like butter and tear you limb from limb. :cool:
 


If you can dictate terms for the match then no flying and no spells. And pretty much the only way to do that would be playing off the devil's pride. They are lawful creatures after all and might abide by such an agreement unless threatened with death. Something along the lines of "What need would such a mighty lord of darkness such as yourself have for those tactics against one as lowly as I? Enjoy the satisfaction of rending my mortal flesh with claws and crushing my puny frame with your tail. There is no need to take to the sky when you can relish swift victory on the ground. Your mighty magics would be a waste against me."

In a stand-up melee fight your main objective would be pushing your Fortitude save through the roof against that poison. I'd also suggest using Expertise and staying mobile to avoid a full attack, since that means you'd avoid the bite/poison altogether as well as the chance at getting grappled by the tail. The only way to do this, though, is to have a 10 ft. reach by trading your sword for a polearm or by using a spell to enlarge/polymorph/whatever. If you can't somehow develop a reach then your only option is to go toe to toe with it and that's a terrible idea.

Depending on the DM, s/he might try to trade out the claw attack for either the bite or tail if the Fiend is denied a full attack. The gloves will help you in grapple checks and I've already mentioned driving the Fort save as high as possible so the only fail would be a natural 1.

If you can negotiate a no magic melee battle and get yourself some reach then you have a chance in my opinion. Just stick and move, stick and move, stick and move. You can dump 9 off your BAB and add to AC while still having a 50% chance to hit the Fiend, which will in turn only have a 25% chance to hit you with any given attack. Granted, darting away after your swing will provoke an AoO but you're still a lot better off by my reckoning.

Random thought: how can you use your wand of charm monster? Or is it just for looks?
 

Of course, a lawyer-demon would likely stipulate that no-magic-no-flying means you can lose the cloak of resistance, the sunblade, the ring, the gloves...

-Hyp.
 
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reichtfeld said:

Random thought: how can you use your wand of charm monster? Or is it just for looks?

how would i use it? jab it in his EYE!
heh, i forgot even how i got the thing
maybe i can trade it for something worthwhile
like a rez after i die
 

How about having a Wizard cast Hide Life on ya? Give your pinky to one of your friends before you enter the ring...

Just a thought.

Andargor
 

how would i use it? jab it in his EYE!

Wouldn't get past his DR...

Although, if you can get hold of some Rhino Hide armor, you could knock a hit point or two off with a critical on a charge: 3d3+27 would just squeak past DR 30/+3.

He'd regenerate them in the same round, of course, but it would still be an achievement!

-Hyp.
 

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