D&D 5E Best way to get advantage in DnD

[Mistwell]

1-2 attacks vs giving you advantage the whole fight.

The whole fight isn't going to last very long versus a spellcaster anyway. 1 to 2 attacks against what, 2 to 3 warlock attacks?

I think we established long ago the games you pay don't look much like the games I play. But in our games, it's not too common that a foe will attack the familiar. It happens sometimes, but it's just not the thing most foes do in that situation in our games.

 

[FrogReaver]

The whole fight isn't going to last very long versus a spellcaster anyway. 1 to 2 attacks against what, 2 to 3 warlock attacks?

I think we established long ago the games you pay don't look much like the games I play. But in our games, it's not too common that a foe will attack the familiar.

The point is that they should be - because by them not they are turning a level 1 spell into always on combat advantage.

 

[Mistwell]

The point is that they should be - because by them not they are turning a level 1 spell into always on combat advantage.

No, they shouldn't. Because they're not thinking about a future combat against a future foe. They're not thinking about what spell level you used to create a familiar either. They're thinking about their own life. And the familiar just isn't as much of a threat as, say, the Warlock herself.

But again, our games are different. Accept that we don't think about it the way you do.

 

[FrogReaver]

No, they shouldn't. Because they're not thinking about a future combat against a future foe. They're not thinking about what spell level you used to create a familiar either. They're thinking about their own life. And the familiar just isn't as much of a threat as, say, the Warlock herself.

But again, our games are different. Accept that we don't think about it the way you do.

The bird is the bigger threat. It's the thing that's actively getting in your face enough to cause you to get hit by the warlock. It's super easy to take out as well.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Such a dead familiar!

Depends on the DM, and how much they are worried about advantage, but I think you and I may have had this argument before?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The point is that they should be - because by them not they are turning a level 1 spell into always on combat advantage.

I’ve seen team bad guy lose quicker because they took 1-3 attacks to kill a familiar, when the PCs hit most of their attacks anyway.

Advantage just isn’t that big a deal.

Hell, I’ve got an owl familiar in one game that has mithral barding crafted by a gnome master crafter, so it rarely gets hit even when I have enemies try, but...so what? They spent gold and downtime and made a cool thing, even had it enchanted so it comes back with the owl and changes shape if they summon the familiar as something else. It’s cool.

The game very much runs just fine with the familiar not getting attacked.

My own character has a familiar that is a wolf, via DM permission. It’s fine.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The bird is the bigger threat. It's the thing that's actively getting in your face enough to cause you to get hit by the warlock. It's super easy to take out as well.

It’s not. The warlock has a good chance to hit you without the bird. Advantage doesn’t make it an auto hit, and doesn’t actually change the hit chance that much.

 

[Charlaquin]

Such a dead familiar!

Hey, attacks targeting the familiar are attacks not targeting your allies. That’s a damn good use of 10 gold if you ask me.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Hey, attacks targeting the familiar are attacks not targeting your allies. That’s a damn good use of 10 gold if you ask me.

Yep. Imagine a potion that made 1-3 enemy attacks per short rest target the terrain, and cost 10 gold.

 

[Coroc]

Hey, attacks targeting the familiar are attacks not targeting your allies. That’s a damn good use of 10 gold if you ask me.

My wizard player tried to overuse his familiar to scout ahead leading to YASD occasionally:

Tweety froze to death (White dragons lair)

Tweety was smashed between the hands of an ogre clapping his hand.

Some nonlethal : Tweety was banished by a high level dispel magic (This was actually fooling around between the familiar of a friendly arch mage NPC and the familiar of my player) Both mages tried to cast spells through their familiars.