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What happens if one adds Bravura bits to the Valor Bard ;pYep, definitely see it, it's just that it's best for the aspects of the Warlord for which there's the least urgent call already in 5e: a Paladin-based Warlord would be just a little bit more Warlordly than the BM. The Bard as a template also already gives us a more melee-oriented build, as well, though, so I feel it's a good mechanical guide for more of the full range of the class. Similarly, the Cleric is a good template, because it maximizes rest resources, being one of the less at-will-DPR-committed classes in the game.
Of course, the ultimate would be not using a template, at all, but creating a mechanically unique Warlord, concept-first, which'd also be very much in accord with 5e design principles, just, y'know, requiring a professional designer initiated into whatever inner mysteries of those there may be...![]()
Don't discount that monk just yet. I'm pretty happy with the foundation, but the devil is in the abilities and the scaling. I think it has promise anyway.
I'll keep an open mind and look at the result if something comes of it.Don't discount that monk just yet. I'm pretty happy with the foundation, but the devil is in the abilities and the scaling. I think it has promise anyway.
There is a lot of lingering edition-war animosity towards the class, still, yes. And comparable defensiveness in reaction to it.Mind you, I have no Warlord baggage of any kind, so I might be easier to please then your average bear.
The Valor sub-class seems analogous to the Bravura, Lore to the Hector & Lazy, room for most everything else between...What happens if one adds Bravura bits to the Valor Bard ;p
Honestly if things go well in the monk version, I’m maybe gonna tinker a rework of the fighter that simply turns the fighter base class into a “warlord”, leveraging at-will control and support instead of personal DPR.If we can get this first attempt to work, making another one based off of the bard would be a logical next attempt.
....but I'll have to respectfully decline to participate being responsible for the Paladin version.![]()
I have to admit to that line of thought, at times, too. A class based around manuevers, just more, more varied, more customizable, more versatile - and level-gated.Honestly if things go well in the monk version, I’m maybe gonna tinker a rework of the fighter that simply turns the fighter base class into a “warlord”
At-will abilities are pretty limited. Guidance is an example of at-will support. It's oddly controversial. At-will healing is hard to imagine.leveraging at-will control and support instead of personal DPR.
Its a template of at-will to short to long rest recharges, weighted towards the last, which is where critical support functions fit. Cleric or Bard, really.I don’t really see the value of the bard to the concept, though. It’s just a full caster
So, make new spells, but call them something else. I just...can’t be inspired by that.I have to admit to that line of thought, at times, too. A class based around manuevers, just more, more varied, more customizable, more versatile - and level-gated.
From that you could build a fighter that takes up a combination of tanking, single or multi- target DPR, support, or even control, depending on build, tactics and weapon mix. Done well, with 5e's fairly seamless STR/DEX decision, you might even fold rogue into it.
It's tempting, like the thought of consolidating arcane casters into a Mage class, or divine classes into a Priest.
At-will abilities are pretty limited. Guidance is an example of at-will support. It's oddly controversial. At-will healing is hard to imagine.
Its a template of at-will to short to long rest recharges, weighted towards the last, which is where critical support functions fit. Cleric or Bard, really.
The trick is to use a different, martial resource, like manuevers, but moreso...
IDK, do BM Manuevers seem like spells?So, make new spells, but call them something else. I just...can’t be inspired by that.
I mean, they’re pretty limited. I’m not convinced one could go much beyond what they do without duplicating spells.IDK, do BM Manuevers seem like spells?
Your aura of martial supremacy causes the enemy overreach and stumble ie make guidance into a presence which for warlord types can affect enemies negatively as wellGuidance is an example of at-will support.
?...But Cleric strikes me as a slightly better template.
They made two martial classes and whelp we are done... those ought to be uber versatile no?anyway, I’d not try to fold too much into one class
Don't tell me you wouldnt love to wring all the righteousness out of the class, I know you would.Those words make as much sense as, "As pretty as a gaping head wound."