Bull rush as part of a charge

[Hypersmurf]

Bullrush is an attack

Bull Rush is an attack when performed as a standard action.

You can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a charge - see how it's defined as an attack if you're doing it as a standard action, not if you're doing it as part of a charge?

Edit - Interesting note tho, Under attacking on a charge it has a bit of info about bullrush, that you get +2 strength, this could suggest that its considered "attacking on a charge"

Pre-errata, when one could still Overrun as part of a charge, the +2 bonus to Overrun appeared in the same section.

Since the attack occurs after the movement, it seems rather pointless to attempt to Overrun once you've stopped moving...

Having the +2 mentioned where it is doesn't indicate to me that the Bull Rush (or, pre-errata, Overrun) occurs in place of the melee attack after movement has ceased.

-Hyp.

 

[bestone]

Hey i said i agree with you, i was just saying i see how they are arguing it

 

[bestone]

You can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a charge - see how it's defined as an attack if you're doing it as a standard action, not if you're doing it as part of a charge?

You dont have to be so snarky? whats that about?

My point was its listed under the special attacks, as being an attack. I realize that it doesnt define it as an attack as part of a charge. I was saying you could come to the conclusion that it is an attack, as it is listed under the special attacks section.

Personally, i think you move (which includes moving into your opponents square) and keep moving as long as you bull rush him back. To me thats all one movement. Then, like you say, once you stop moving, you attack. You dont move, stop moving, bull rush, then attack, because bullrush is movement (not exactly, but you get the point)

 

[Nail]

???snarky???

 

[Legildur]

You dont have to be so snarky? whats that about?

Was he? I certainly didn't read it that way....

I like your summary of how most of us have played bull rush on a charge (or how we would if we EVER used it).

Hyp's analysis is accurate, and has given me food for thought for the next time I play my spiked-chain-wielding half-orc barbarian/cleric(Kord).

 

[Nail]

Our party's WB has used the 1st level manuever Charging Minotaur (ToB:Bo9S, p. 81), in which he uses Bull Rush as part of a Charge. The maneuver adds bludgeoning damage (2d6 + Str) in addition to pushing the target back.

Other than this, I've never seen a PC use a Bull Rush. (DMs? Sure, as part of the classic "bull rush the heroes off the bridge" scenario....)

 

[bestone]

Was he? I certainly didn't read it that way....

I like your summary of how most of us have played bull rush on a charge (or how we would if we EVER used it).

Hyp's analysis is accurate, and has given me food for thought for the next time I play my spiked-chain-wielding half-orc barbarian/cleric(Kord).

Go for the cheese, small spiked chain! all the reach, half the hands!

 

[bestone]

Our party's WB has used the 1st level manuever Charging Minotaur (ToB:Bo9S, p. 81), in which he uses Bull Rush as part of a Charge. The maneuver adds bludgeoning damage (2d6 + Str) in addition to pushing the target back.

Other than this, I've never seen a PC use a Bull Rush. (DMs? Sure, as part of the classic "bull rush the heroes off the bridge" scenario....)

Bull rush actually comes up a fair amount of times in our games, i wouldnt say often, but sometimes the opportunity is there. Bullrushing people of stairs (expecially theres some option i forget which, it may be a feat that allows you to push people not just back, but to either side), the ever obvious bullrushing people over cliffs or off bridges. Our dm likes to set up fantastic battle locations with all kinds of hazards you can either walk into, or get bull rushed into *oh its just excellent getting bullrushed by high str low cr monsters into pit traps!*.

Pushing them past people provokes attacks of op too, so if you can push something past 3 people, thats possible 3 attacks of op. Of course once you get multiple attacks this becomes not as appealing.

But i'll agree, the pc's dont do it as much it seems, as the dm's minions who know where the hot spots are.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Bull rush actually comes up a fair amount of times in our games, i wouldnt say often, but sometimes the opportunity is there. Bullrushing people of stairs...

There was almost an opportunity for this in our last session... bad guy standing at the top of a staircase, us in the corridor in front of him.

Unfortunately, he was a dwarf (stability bonus!), and our best bullrusher (Jotunbrud Barbarian) was unconscious and bleeding at the time. For the rest of us, it seemed more efficient just to lay into him with axes

-Hyp.

 

[bestone]

Lol that would have been comical, watching a dwarf fall down stairs.

You should have all aided in a bull rush! *lol*