Bull Rush Question and feats to assist

[Arcanus]

When you successfully bull rush an enemy and move them back 5 feet from where they started, do you get an attack of opportunity against them for leaving a square you threaten?
If 1 is you and 2 is the enemy in this diagram of sorts:

(1)(2) these two characters are threatening each other each one is in their own 5ft square.

Character 1 has just initiated a bullrush on character 2 in this diagram: (1,2) they are both in the same 5ft square. This space is now threatened by character 1.

Character 1 has just successfully bullrushed character 2 back 5ft in this diagram: (0)(1)(2) Zero represents the original square that character 1 started in and this also shows that character 2 was originally in the 1 spot and has now left a threatened space and forced into a new threatened space.

Now am I just seeing and reading want I in this or do you get to smack character 2 for leaving your space and entering a new one?

Another question I have is: If you force a charcter back into a space already occupied by something or someone, by way of bull rushing, does that character fall prone? I know if you are forced back 5ft from failing your bull rush attempt and if your original space is now occupied you will fall prone. Does this work both ways?

How would Improved Shield Bash from Defenders of the Faith figure into the above scenario?

 

[kreynolds]

When you successfully bull rush an enemy and move them back 5 feet from where they started, do you get an attack of opportunity against them for leaving a square you threaten?

Not if IRC. Would be kind of lame if you could, IMO.

Another question I have is: If you force a charcter back into a space already occupied by something or someone, by way of bull rushing, does that character fall prone? I know if you are forced back 5ft from failing your bull rush attempt and if your original space is now occupied you will fall prone. Does this work both ways?

Yes, if IRC. It works both ways.

 

[kreynolds]

How would Improved Shield Bash from Defenders of the Faith figure into the above scenario?

If you are successful, you interrupt your attackers bull-rush and push him back out of your square, but no futher, IIRC. However, you have to use your Improved Shield Bash as the AoO against the Bull-Rusher, though you probably already know that. I just though I would mention it, just in case.

 

[Mahali]

When you successfully bull rush an enemy and move them back 5 feet from where they started, do you get an attack of opportunity against them for leaving a square you threaten?

You don't get an AoO for them moving 5' but everyone else does (on both of you).

Originally posted by Arcanus
Another question I have is: If you force a charcter back into a space already occupied by something or someone, by way of bull rushing, does that character fall prone? I know if you are forced back 5ft from failing your bull rush attempt and if your original space is now occupied you will fall prone. Does this work both ways?

I'd say yes.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Bull Rush Question and feats to assist

You don't get an AoO for them moving 5' but everyone else does (on both of you).

Huh? Not in the example he gave. The bull-rusher might suffer AoOs because of his movement in the bull rush itself, but the defender would not. No matter what, if all you move is 5-feet, you never provoke an AoO. In this case, the defender was forced to move but he still only "moved" 5-feet. Just my 2cp.

 

[Caliban]

Re: Re: Re: Bull Rush Question and feats to assist

Huh? Not in the example he gave. The bull-rusher might suffer AoOs because of his movement in the bull rush itself, but the defender would not. No matter what, if all you move is 5-feet, you never provoke an AoO. In this case, the defender was forced to move but he still only "moved" 5-feet. Just my 2cp.

There is a difference between a 5' step and being moved (or moving) 5' feet. One doesn't provoke an AoO, the other does.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bull Rush Question and feats to assist

There is a difference between a 5' step and being moved (or moving) 5' feet. One doesn't provoke an AoO, the other does.

I've never seen the rule that says "being moved 5-feet" provokes an attack of opportunity. Where is that?

 

[reapersaurus]

because you are moving within a threatened range!

Geez. the only reason why a 5' step during your own turn doesn't cause an AoO is because it SAYS it doesn't in the books.
Why would you try and extend the special ability of a 5' movement on YOUR TURN to a 5' re-positioning by an attacker when it;s not your turn?
They have nothing to do with each other, except the coincidental number of feet that happened to be travelled.

 

[IceBear]

I have to agree with Caliban and Reaper here.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

because you are moving within a threatened range!

Geez...

You are not moving. You are being moved. This movement is not a part of your action. I just don't see your logic here. GEEZ