Can AoO provoke AoO?

[Jack Haggerty]

Say you and I are fighting in melee; I have a spiked chain, you decide to just turn and run (low on HP, just saw the dragon that'll eat BOTH of us wake up behind me, whatever). "Run away" implies running up a switchback of stairs, 20' per flight with 5' movement needed at each switchback, with four flights. The stairs are 10' behind you, and you then want to run 10' down the cavern at the top of those stairs. Total movement of 120', a normal run for a light or medium armored (or unarmored) non-monk PC.

This is wrong to begin with... You can only run in a straight line. The best you could up a twisting flight of stairs would be a double move.

 

[dcollins]

Then what happened to "and complete your movement" ... ?

What "and complete your movement" are you referring to?

 

[Pax]

What "and complete your movement" are you referring to?

The bits I'm italicising here:

Originally by drnuncheon:
Large and In Charge
1. Opponent begins movement.
2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage.
3. Opponent finishes movement.
4. Opponent is moved back to the square they started from.

Stand Still
1. Opponent decides to move (but does not move yet).
2. Stand Still user goes before movement (because of Feat wording).
3. Opponent unable to move.

In the case of the threatening Peerless Archer, it would go like this:
1. Opponent begins movement.
2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage.
3. Opponent finishes movement.

That part. The part where it's implied one completes one's triggering movement after the AO is resolved.

And the above is from the post I was replying to, when you responded to me. Hence the potential confusion.

 

[Pax]

This is wrong to begin with... You can only run in a straight line. The best you could up a twisting flight of stairs would be a double move.

The degree of twistiness was to illustrate a point.

Fine, a 60' double move, just shorter flights of stairs -- 5' to the stairs, turn, 10' up a flight, 5' for the landing, 10' up another flight, 5' for the second landing, 10' up the third flight, 5' for the last landing, 10' up the last flight, double-move (base speed 30) ends there.

Happy?

 

[dcollins]

The bits I'm italicising here:

I do not agree with dmuncheon's analysis.
As I said before, one has to accept that the supplement-book feats are incorrectly phrased.

Since dmuncheon's thought was specific to making sense of the supplement-book feats, and you subsequently told me to "FORGET the supplement books", this seems like a non-sequitur.

 

[Jack Haggerty]

The degree of twistiness was to illustrate a point.

Fine, a 60' double move, just shorter flights of stairs -- 5' to the stairs, turn, 10' up a flight, 5' for the landing, 10' up another flight, 5' for the second landing, 10' up the third flight, 5' for the last landing, 10' up the last flight, double-move (base speed 30) ends there.

Happy?

Quite.

 

[drnuncheon]

Then what happened to "and complete your movement" ... ?

The trip or grapple supercedes it. What's the problem?

If you really want to be pedantically accurate about it you can say "complete your movement if you are able to." That would cover trips, grapples, and being killed by the AoO (as well as Stand Still).

The point was that an AoO in and of itself, by virtue of being an AoO, does not gain any ability to stop movement. Only when other factors are added which already have the ability to stop movement does the AoO gain the ability to do so.


J