Can AoO provoke AoO?

[kreynolds]

(You seem to have said "Exactly" when IceBear asserted above that you'd "be in the 10ft square when the AoO occured", so perhaps there was some miscommunication about what you were agreeing to.)

Ah, yes there was. I misread what he was saying.

 

[kreynolds]

Right, but: to be pushed into the square BEFORE you provoke the attack, must inherently mean you are NOT in that square when the attack HAPPENS.

You aren't being pushed back into the square before you provoke the attack. You provoked the attack because you stepped into the next square.

IOW, you start 10' away from the Big Guy. You step to 5' away -- the adjacent square. Big Guy now AOs you and pushes you BACK one square.

This means, you are being attacked when you are 5' away. AFTER YOUR MOVE.

Exactly. I misread IceBear's earlier post and thought he was in agreement with me. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Pax]

You aren't being pushed back into the square before you provoke the attack. You provoked the attack because you stepped into the next square.

Sorry, poorly worded on my part. Reworded version, with edit in italics:

Right, but: to be pushed into the square you were in BEFORE you provoke the attack, must inherently mean you are NOT in that square when the attack HAPPENS.

 

[IceBear]

Sorry, I wasn't clear in what I was saying. It's my understanding that the AoO occurs AS you move from the 10ft square into the 5ft square. This distinction came up because people thought that you suffered an AoO for entering a threatened area when in fact you suffer it for moving within a threatened area (people thought that moving away from a creature without reach wouldn't cause an AoO because you didn't enter a threatened square).

Thus, in my mind, the AoO occurs as you step over the grid line between the 10ft square and the 5ft square (at 7.5ft ).

Anyway, for all intents and purposes, the AoO is resolved when the creature is in the 5ft square, but it occurs as he leaves the 10ft square and enters the 5ft square.

IceBear

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

Sorry, I wasn't clear in what I was saying. It's my understanding that the AoO occurs AS you move from the 10ft square into the 5ft square. This distinction came up because people thought that you suffered an AoO for entering a threatened area when in fact you suffer it for moving within a threatened area (people thought that moving away from a creature without reach wouldn't cause an AoO because you didn't enter a threatened square).

Thus, in my mind, the AoO occurs as you step over the grid line between the 10ft square and the 5ft square (at 7.5ft ).

Anyway, for all intents and purposes, the AoO is resolved when the creature is in the 5ft square, but it occurs as he leaves the 10ft square and enters the 5ft square.

I concur with this interpretation. Otherwise we would have to completely rethink the mechanics of charging an opponent with a reach weapon. Remember that most reach weapons threaten at 10' but not at 5'.

Hmm . . . if you charge me and I am armed with a glaive, what square are sitting prone in if my trip AoO succeeds? 5' away or 10'? I would have said 10' but now I am not so sure.

 

[Stalker0]

I'd say the bull rush scenario gives a good example here. When you move in to bull rush, you provoke an AOO from people around you. Those people have a chance to hit your opponent as well as you, which to my mind means you've already moved when the AOO occurs.

 

[kreynolds]

So, in other words, all of us already agreed? What a pain in the frickin' arse. LOL

 

[IceBear]

Another example to help clarify (as there was a time when people thought that entering the 10ft square on the ogre would immediately cause an AoO):

When you charge an ogre, you don't suffer a AoO when you leave the 15ft square and enter the 10ft square. In fact, you would not suffer an AoO at all unless you kept moving and LEFT the 10ft square to enter the 5ft square.

So, you could run up to an ogre, stop 10ft away, and then next round take a 5ft adjustment and not suffer an AoO at all.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Yeah. What IceBear said.

 

[Pax]

Hmm . . . if you charge me and I am armed with a glaive, what square are sitting prone in if my trip AoO succeeds? 5' away or 10'? I would have said 10' but now I am not so sure.

IMO: five feet, the tripped foe falls onhis face and momentum carries him the rest of the way into that square.