Can rogues use a kukri?

[dkilgo]

It still does not make any sense.

Also, who says that Skip, with all do respect, is the last bastion of hope when it comes to ruling on the rules?

 

[Chun-tzu]

It makes plenty of sense. It's a balance issue. Not all Fighters are proficient with all swords (several exotic swords require special training), and not all Rogues are proficient with all daggers, despite the wording in the PHB.

 

[jontherev]

It still does not make any sense.

Sure it does. He said it was a mistake.

Also, who says that Skip, with all do respect, is the last bastion of hope when it comes to ruling on the rules?

No one, but he did help to write the book, so his opinion on how to interpret a rule or clarify a confusing one is important to some people. This is not in the DnD FAQ, so it's up to you and your DM to determine the answer. As written, it could be stretched to include kukri's. However, if that was the intent of the game designers, I really think they would have been more specific, and included kukri's in the list of proficient weapons. Instead, one must go through and read the desription of the kukri, see that it defines it as a 'curved dagger', and then backtrack to the rogue's list of weapons. My point is, if you didn't know what a kukri was (i.e. didn't read the weapon description), you would never assume a rogue would be proficient in it from the class description. That just seems extremely illogical to me. I knew it was a longshot when I sent that email to the Sage, but I wanted to make sure because kukri's are great for small rogues. Our group requires a feat to use it.

 

[Wolf72]

I'd say they can't since the kukri is an exotic weapon and thus requires an exotic weapon proficiency to wield properly.

I agree ...

 

[Berk]

A hand crossbow is also an exotic weapon, yet all rogues can use it. Therefore, the fact that a kukri is exotic is irrelevant.

and the monk is proficient with the nunchaku's, does that make him proficient with the bastard sword also? that fact that the rogue is proficient with a hand crossbow and the fact that the hand crossbow itself is an exotic weapon is irrelevant.

 

[bret]

and the monk is proficient with the nunchaku's, does that make him proficient with the bastard sword also? that fact that the rogue is proficient with a hand crossbow and the fact that the hand crossbow itself is an exotic weapon is irrelevant.

If the monk also had proficiency in all swords, then the analogy might mean something.

The rogue's weapons includes dagger (any type) in the listed weapons. The kurki is (correctly, in my opinion) described as a dagger. There are many examples of classes giving exotic weapon proficiencies, so you can't say that no character class gets exotic weapons without taking the feat.

I don't know what the rules designers intended here. Since the only differences I see between it and other weapons is a better critical range and slashing damage, I see no problem with allowing rogues to use it.

 

[HellHound]

Look at a Kukri

Look at how it is USED.

A Kukri is NOT a dagger. A Kukri is FAR more akin to an axe, and even then the similarity is not that strong.

Kukris are a HACKING weapon designed to the painless execution of cattle. Daggers are meant to be used as a stabbing weapon.

Training with a dagger will NOT make you good with a kukri, the fighting styles are VERY different, as are the weapons themselves.

 

[Berk]

hellhound you took the words right out of my mouth

 

[dkilgo]

Look at a Kukri

Look at how it is USED.

A Kukri is NOT a dagger. A Kukri is FAR more akin to an axe, and even then the similarity is not that strong.

Kukris are a HACKING weapon designed to the painless execution of cattle. Daggers are meant to be used as a stabbing weapon.

Training with a dagger will NOT make you good with a kukri, the fighting styles are VERY different, as are the weapons themselves.

First, I will simply nod my appology to all of you that are devoted Skip followers.

Second, I see a problem with Hellhounds assessment of the situation. In all my reading I have yet to come to anything similar to HACKING damage. Hellhound, you compare the use and implemintation of the kukri to that of an axe. Here is where I must inform you that an axe's damage type is SLASHING not HACKING. Hence, the damage type for the kukri is listed as SLASHING. So, your afore mentioned banter went all for not.

Thirdly, If you really want to compare the use of weapons then you need to be prepared to explain the use and training of all weapons before stepping forward.

Finally, Now step back, and bang your head into the wall.

Thank you!

Sorry, Berk!

 

[kreynolds]

Here is where I must inform you that an axe's damage type is SLASHING not HACKING.

That was never in contention.

Hence, the damage type for the kukri is listed as SLASHING.

He never said otherwise.

So, your afore mentioned banter went all for not.

Not at all. A dagger deals piercing damage. A kukri deals slashing damage. A kukri is not the same thing as a dagger. His argument still stands pretty solid.

Finally, Now step back, and bang your head into the wall.

How's that wall feel?