Can you Really kill someone?

[BBrendolfus]

There is a great scene in spiderman when green goblin is talking to himself on how to kill a hero.

'Attack his heart', is the point made.

Convince the victim they don't want to come back, as already mentioned by some.

Destroy their endeavours irrevocably, ruin their life before taking their life. Hope is the enemy.

IMO most people would not wish to be raised despite their former status, having suffered death once and approaching the afterlife why go back. Only powerful driven figures would even consider returning to a world of toil.

Also consider a legal execution, trump some charges if need be and let the law do the deed. Clerics that dare to defy an execution would be, well, executed probably.

ooh I'm eeevil

 

[Plane Sailing]

I've just thought of another good one - kill them, dump their body in a leomunds secret chest, send the real chest away and then destroy the small one which is used to summon the large chest. The spell says that even a wish can't bring back the large chest if the small one is destroyed!

 

[Krafen]

I've just thought of another good one - kill them, dump their body in a leomunds secret chest, send the real chest away and then destroy the small one which is used to summon the large chest. The spell says that even a wish can't bring back the large chest if the small one is destroyed!

Good idea, but try it with the gem from trap the soul and it will even prevent true resurrection.

 

[Zaruthustran]

Kill him. Turn him into undead. Get a hunter of the dead (prestige class) to kill him.

One of their top level abilities ensures that if they lay an undead to rest it NEVER comes back.

Cheers

Yep, that's the one I was going to say. Works, too.

Anyone else think it's ironic that the only way to permanently kill someone is to make them undead?

 

[Theovis]

Kill the king, impersonate his "pet Cleric", wave your hands around and say that the king doesn't want to come back.

IMC, Monarchs are reluctant to allow themselves to be ressurected. Gives the clergy too much leverage over the empire, in deciding who can be rezzed and who has to stay dead.

 

[Pielorinho]

I think the idea of persuading the victim to come back over and over has the most panache.

That is, capture both the king and his cuddly little towheaded son (or his favorite hunting dog -- whatever floats his boat).

Have a pair of sharp scissors handy. While the king watches, snip an ear off of your hostage.

Explain to the king that you'll have the ear healed if he cooperates, but otherwise, you'll torture your hostage with unbelievable cruelty until he starts cooperating.

Explain that cooperation simply means that he willingly comes back to his body.

Kill him with the most pleasant narcotics you can find.

Resurrect him.

Remind him each time he comes back that his connection to this world is more and more tenuous, and that his hostage is closer and closer to freedom.

Repeat until he's down to 1 point of constitution.

Do it again. And voila!

It won't work on everyone, but it'll be pretty effective against softies. And that's who you want it to be effective on: it's a villainous tactic anyway.

Daniel

 

[Ricimer]

Sir whiskers, True RESurection is restricted by age. Its True REINcarnation, the Druid spell, that isn't.

 

[The Kender]

The Secret Chest seems to be winning.

 

[0-hr]

Good idea, but try it with the gem from trap the soul and it will even prevent true resurrection.

Turning them to stone, or undead, and putting them in the chest would prevent the rez as well neh?

 

[Ricimer]

I'm trying to figure out if that doesn't work. And aside from direct divine intervention I don't see why not. And I don't know if a diety could do it (not familiar with the rules)

Edit: elaboration