capping D&D at 5th level?

[Rystil Arden]

No it doesn't. It's part of the house cat/raven scale. I think that people ought to be able to kick the ass of ravens, house cats and small 20 lb. dogs and not having to change the rules to do so.

Indeed. And just imagine--Matadors pretty much always win against bulls. What level must they all be? I'm afraid they're all on the level of legends and the history books according to a bit of the hyperbole going on in the quoted text.

 

[Warren Okuma]

Indeed. And just imagine--Matadors pretty much always win against bulls. What level must they all be? I'm afraid they're all on the level of legends and the history books according to a bit of the hyperbole going on in the quoted text.

Absolutely. BTW my cousin hunts wild boars with a knife. Funny, he's no Einstein or Newton.

 

[Achan hiArusa]

I'm tired of how often it is brought up that 1st level characters are too weak because it is possible for a house cat to kill one. The fact that house cats can damage humans in D&D is entirely an artifact of the rule that all attacks deal at least one damage no matter if penalties reduce the die roll to less than zero. Remove that rule and cats can't damage people. That rule was not made with the intention of accurately modeling house cats.

Uh, you know. I had a roomate who almost died because my housecat kept on attacking him. Now granted, the cat's claws were septic and my roomate kept on putting iodine on the wounds, but still.

As for Matadors, of course they almost always win. You know those things sticking out of the Bull's hump, the first is a lance from a picador and the other six are javelins from the banderilleros, so the bull has taken at least 3d8 + 6d6 damage before the matador stabs him with a 1d8 sword. Given they are a little bit smaller than Bison (who have 5d8+15 hit points), its almost dead by that point.

 

[Warren Okuma]

Uh, you know. I had a roomate who almost died because my housecat kept on attacking him. Now granted, his claws were septic and my roomate kept on putting iodine on the wounds, but still.

What's almost? Was his intestines hanging out? Was his armed ripped off? Lost an eye? clawed to the point of unconsciousness?


House Cats have the SQ: Filth Fever eh?

Edit: I had a cat like that. I survived a full on claw-claw-bite. I still got the scars. I just laughed and let him down.

 

[Imp]

No it doesn't. It's part of the house cat/raven scale. I think that people ought to be able to kick the ass of ravens, house cats and small 20 lb. dogs and not having to change the rules to do so.

Kick the ass of, yes. Reliably outmaneuver, athletically outperform, ambush, hell no, which is what the "Schmoe3" approach winds up doing, along with a host of other effects that may or may not be desired. (potions for everyone!)

Small animals are really really a fringe case.

 

[Achan hiArusa]

What's almost? Was his intestines hanging out? Was his armed ripped off? Lost an eye? clawed to the point of unconsciousness?


House Cats have the SQ: Filth Fever eh?

Edit: I had a cat like that. I survived a full on claw-claw-bite. I still got the scars. I just laughed and let him down.

No, he had a massive blood infection that had to be treated.

D&D hit points have never been ever considered structural points when you have the ridiculous comparison of a 20HD Iron Golem having the same hps as a 20th level fighter. At least in BRP (Chaosium) size means something other than penalties like it does in D&D.

And given, at most a cat can do 3 points of damage a round and that all humans today are probably experts with at least 6 hit points, yeah you could easily survive that.

 

[Warren Okuma]

Kick the ass of, yes. Reliably outmaneuver, athletically outperform, ambush, hell no, which is what the "Schmoe3" approach winds up doing, along with a host of other effects that may or may not be desired. (potions for everyone!)

Small animals are really really a fringe case.

It's not a fringe case. It's all over the place. Example....

1) Bull fighters. The defeat bulls without armor. What, these guys high level?
2) Rodeo Clowns. The deal with bulls. The mess with bulls, get tossed and live. Are they high level?
3) Knife hunters. My cousin and lots of people hunt wild boar with knives. Are they high level?
4) My friends brother is a bow hunter. He kills bears, deer, bears (including a brown bear which has 52 hit points in DnD) usually with one arrow. One arrow. Is he 11th level? I don't think so.
5) I have friends in the Sui Lum Pai that can break bricks and boards. What, are they 11th level monks?

DnD is not real. It does not even pretend to be real.

 

[Warren Okuma]

No, he had a massive blood infection that had to be treated.

That happens. I never got infected by my cat.

D&D hit points have never been ever considered structural points when you have the ridiculous comparison of a 20HD Iron Golem having the same hps as a 20th level fighter. At least in BRP (Chaosium) size means something other than penalties like it does in D&D.

No, hit points are structural.

Say a 20th level barbarian has a Con 20 and 236 hit points. He gets paralyzed. The bad guys strip him out of his armor.

For entertainment they chop him with battleaxes (no coup de grace, since they are evil and want to make the experience last.) An hour later he dies. After the executioner having to make several DC 5 swim checks due to the blood flood.

See, structural points.

 

[Achan hiArusa]

It's not a fringe case. It's all over the place. Example....

1) Bull fighters. The defeat bulls without armor. What, these guys high level?
2) Rodeo Clowns. The deal with bulls. The mess with bulls, get tossed and live. Are they high level?
3) Knife hunters. My cousin and lots of people hunt wild boar with knives. Are they high level?
4) My friends brother is a bow hunter. He kills bears, deer, bears (including a brown bear which has 52 hit points in DnD) usually with one arrow. One arrow. Is he 11th level? I don't think so.
5) I have friends in the Sui Lum Pai that can break bricks and boards. What, are they 11th level monks?

DnD is not real. It does not even pretend to be real.

1) Bull Fighters are dealt with above. And they do die. France was going to ban the sport because too many bullfighters died and they were professionals.

2) Rodeo Clowns have good tumble checks. And they too get injured or die.

3) and 4) more argue that the HD for Bears and Boars are inflated than to say that humans are underlevelled.

5) The amazing Randi without any training broke those same bricks and boards and was warned to be careful when transporting them because they could break by bouncing them in cars.

 

[Will]

I'll point out that bull fighters cheat like dogs.

You have picadors poke holes in the bull and, the minute the bull glances their way, they run and hide behind walls.

Once the bull is poked and bleeding for a while, bleery from exhaustion, THEN mr. prancy pants steps out and does a finishing blow.