ChatGPT lies then gaslights reporter with fake transcript

[Morrus]

Not instantaneously, but pretty darned quickly! At least 4 years ago! Are you suggesting that you haven't heard someone ever say before, "Be careful with its answers. Sometimes it's wrong. Sometimes it 'hallucinates'." You've been warned about that before, right? Are there still many people out there who don't know that ChatGPT can fabricate answers or be wrong?

Yes, you are cleverer than everybody, and all those stupid people who don't know as much about AI as you deserve what they get.

I mean, seriously, what is your message here? My grandma should know better? And this journalist is a wrong'un for telling her?

Jeez, man.

 

[kermit4karate]

Wow. You attacked the reporter's credibility and dismissed his report, despite not watching it... because you didn't like the conclusion you imagined he had made? And doubled down when challenged, still not having watched it?


So? Who cares whether you are surprised by it? What does that have to do with anything? The fact that you aren't personally surprised by something is not the litmus test for whether an informational piece is valid.

I immediately acknowledged I was wrong. I could have easily lied or pivoted, but I'm not groveling for forgiveness after questioning a reporter's credibility for doing another easy, low-hanging-fruit hit piece on the evils of ChatGPT.

 

[kermit4karate]

Pretty much only in discussions like this specifically about AI. Not so much in everyday life.

What you're describing isn't a news article, it's an instructional video. Those are not the same, nor published by the same people.

That's fair. OK, I'll take that.

 

[kermit4karate]

Yes, you are cleverer than everybody, and all those stupid people who don't know as much about AI as you deserve what they get.

I mean, seriously, what is your message here? My grandma should know better? And this journalist is a wrong'un for telling her?

Jeez, man.

You are a tough crowd, sir.

I care about all grandmas, but I worked as a reporter for two years after college. Yeah, sorry, I don't feel bad about impugning this guy's integrity. Integrity and news reporting rarely go hand in hand. He didn't produce that story for your grandmother's benefit. It was an inflammatory hit piece to fire up ALL the grandmas and scare them into forming picket lines decrying the evils of ChatGPT. More viewers means more ad dollars and more clicks. It wasn't a public service announcement.

 

[Morrus]

Yeah, sorry, I don't feel bad about impugning this guy's integrity.

This is not new information.

Ad hominem, sadly, still works. Fortunately, this thread has pretty much demolished your credibility, too. There’s some irony there, and not in an Alanis Morissette way.

Now perhaps we can get back to talking about the actual issue being highlighted and stop attacking the journalist.

 

[Deset Gled]

For those claiming that AI slop is an unfair description,

Personally, I don't really care about "fair" either way in this context. My lament at this specific moment is that I can't have a conversation that even mentions AI in passing without it turning into another outrage thread.

To review, this is the post where "AI slop" came up: Will the complexity pendulum swing back?
It's in response to a post I made attempting talk about the nature of VTTs and video games, and where the two crossed over. One point was made about NPC interactions, and I was discussing the limitations of NPC interactions in tabletop games compared to some of the more advanced cases of NPC interactions in video games. I carelessly mentioned the use of AI in this regard. At that point, all discussion of VTTs and video games ended, discussion of AI took over, and... here we are.

So, that's what "AI slop" means to me. The power of a single word to end rational discussion. I understand that conversation drift is a feature of online forums (not a bug). But at this point I think we need to recognize that Godwin's corollary on ENWorld is not about a WWII dictator, it's AI: "when an AI comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress." This time I was that loser.

 

[kermit4karate]

Personally, I don't really care about "fair" either way in this context. My lament at this specific moment is that I can't have a conversation that even mentions AI in passing without it turning into another outrage thread.

To review, this is the post where "AI slop" came up: Will the complexity pendulum swing back?
It's in response to a post I made attempting talk about the nature of VTTs and video games, and where the two crossed over. One point was made about NPC interactions, and I was discussing the limitations of NPC interactions in tabletop games compared to some of the more advanced cases of NPC interactions in video games. I carelessly mentioned the use of AI in this regard. At that point, all discussion of VTTs and video games ended, discussion of AI took over, and... here we are.

So, that's what "AI slop" means to me. The power of a single word to end rational discussion. I understand that conversation drift is a feature of online forums (not a bug). But at this point I think we need to recognize that Godwin's corollary on ENWorld is not about a WWII dictator, it's AI: "when an AI comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress." This time I was that loser.

Which is a crying shame because AI is a part of life now. It isn't political. It isn't religious. It should be safe to discuss. It isn't going anywhere, no matter how much people hate it.

 

[gnarlygninja]

Why someone would rely on ChatGPT for something like this says more about the people who made that decision than it says about the AI.

This might be a more fair point if there weren't an awful lot of people very invested in making people think it can be used that way.

 

[trappedslider]

Look AI is still crap,here's yet another article pointing out how /thread.

 

[Morrus]

Look AI is still crap,

Correct.

here's yet another article pointing out how /thread.

Correct.