Converting Epic Level Beings

[Shade]

Possibly. The mithral golem gets 2-3 attacks (it has an alacrity ability it can use for an extra standard action) and the tarrasque gets 6. Since Ma Yuan uses weapons, though, he'll get four attacks with his primary and at least one with each of his other four, so we might have to tone him down. Let's try Clifford's original suggestion of 45 and see where it leads.

 

[Clifford]

I dunno if cr 25 is good though i mean even most of the weaker gods have 40 character levels. Cr 25 would parely be a challenge for them.

Abomination might be good but that basicaly is Divine rank 0 heh

>=)

 

[GrayLinnorm]

I'm just thinking, since Ma Yuan is an oriental outsider, do you think we should give him the Spirit subtype?

 

[BOZ]

Clifford = powergamer. heh

GrayLinnorm: good point! what exactly benefit does that provide anyway?

 

[GrayLinnorm]

From Oriental Adventures:

The only game effect of the spirit type modifier is that spirit creatures are all affected by spells such as commune with greater spirit, invisibility to spirits, and protection from spirits.

Should we give this guy feats (and possibly other abilities) from OA?

 

[Shade]

It would probably be best to follow the approach used by some of the monster books when dealing with non-core products. That is, use core feats and subtypes, but add a section that says "If you are using Oriental Adventures, add the spirit subtype and replace X feat with Y feat".

 

[Clifford]

Power gamer? me? oh boy. I am no power gamer i just think that a monster that kills gods should be freaken powerful eanough to kill a freaken god. So far It would be lucky if this guy could handle imhotep. Just kidding Imhotep is a wimp. But seriously he need to be tougher IMHO. As is abomination sounds Freaken GREAT!

Cliff

 

[Riksdag Panda]

I think I'm gonna agree with Clifford, It was always in my views that a creature able to take down gods should be much more powerful than it currently is. I feel that essentialy any deity with the annihilating strike salient ability can knock out even the hecta-thingy-ma-bob relatively easily, perhaps there can be a counter to this??
Also do you guys have an idea as to what status of deity (i.e. lesser, over...) this creature can handle(or just stick with demigods, though he would be the demigod slayer then... )

 

[Clifford]

maybe a line saying Ma Yuan is immune to the salent divine abilitys of gods DvR 5 or less (call it Dvr resistance of something.) sense it says he only geeked some wimpier gods anyway. This way he can be all pimp-tacular with the ass kicking on relitivly even terms with the creatures he has been known to kill.

Cliff

>=)

 

[Shade]

List of many uniques by Challenge Rating for comparison purposes on future epic conversions:


CR 16 Yrsillar Lord of Nothing
CR 18 Kerzit the Guardian
CR 20 Juiblex, The Faceless Lord, lord of slimes and oozes.
CR 20 Bel, Lord of the First.
CR 20 Manath, the Horned Duke, The duke of the cervidals.
CR 21 Kezef, The Chaos Hound The Ravager of Heavens.
CR 21 Bazim-Gorag the Firebringer, Slaad lord.
CR 22 Barachiel, the Messenger
CR 22 Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls.
CR 22 Geryon, Deposed Lord of the Fifth, Lord of the Filth.
CR 22 The Hag Countess, Lord of the Sixth.
CR 22 Kharash, the Stalker
CR 22 Ityak-Ortheel, the Elf Eater .
CR 23 Adimarchus, Prince of Madness.
CR 23 Soneillon, Queen of Whispers.
CR 24 Domiel, the Mercy-Bringer
CR 24 Graz'zt, The Dark Prince.
CR 24 Rhyxali, The Demon Princess of Shadow.
CR 24 Belial/Fierna, Lord/Lady of the Fourth.
CR 24 Vhara, Duchess of the Fields .
CR 25 Erathaol, the Seer
CR 25 Mammon, Lord of the Third.
CR 25 Levistus, Lord of the Fifth.
CR 26 Pistis Sophia
CR 26 Dendar, the Night Serpent
CR 26 Dispater, Lord of the Second, the Iron Duke.
CR 26 Gwynharwyf, the Whirling Fury
CR 26 Sathia, the Sky Duchess
CR 27 Turaglas (Turagathshnee form). The Hunger Eternal, the Devourer, The Ebon Maw.
CR 27 Malkizid, The Branded King.
CR 28 Raziel, the Crusader
CR 28 Eltab, Lord of the Hidden Layer.
CR 28 Fraz-Urb'luu, Prince of Deception.
CR 28 Orcus, Demon Prince of the Undead.
CR 28 Bharrai, the Great Bear
CR 28 Vlaakith the Lich-Queen
CR 29 Sealtiel, the Defender
CR 29 Pazuzu, Prince of the Lower Aerial Kingdoms.
CR 29 Baalzebul, Lord of the Seventh, the Lord of the Flies, the Fallen One, the Slug Archduke.
CR 29 Mephistopheles, Lord of the Eighth.
CR 29 Faerinaal, the Queen's Consort
CR 30 Turaglas (True form). The Hunger Eternal, the Devourer, The Ebon Maw.
CR 30 Demogorgon, Prince of Demons, Lord of All That Swims in Darkness.
CR 30 Talisid, the Celestial Lion
CR 31 Morwel, Queen of Stars .
CR 32 Zaphkiel, the Watcher
CR 32 Asmodeus, Lord of the Ninth.
CR 34 Aumvor the Undying