Converting Epic Level Beings

[Mortis]

I'd defintely prefer the Giant type. And if we go giant, 48 makes a nice round number (because it divides evenly by 4 for its BAB of 3/4 Hit Dice).

Aberration / Giant doesn't matter - they both have a 3/4 Hit Dice progression.

But 48 divides better for the saves.

Regards
Mortis

 

[Shade]

I'd beef up the physical ability scores a tad:

Mountain Giant (Colossal, 40 feet tall): Str 43, Dex 10, Con 37
Ocean Giant (Huge): Str 39, Dex 15, Con 28
Titan (Huge): Str 43, Dex 12, Con 39

It seems that the mountain giant, besides being over CR'ed, is also under-Strengthed.

Since this fella is almost twice as big as a mountain giant, I'd recommend:

Str 50+, Dex 10, Con 42+

 

[Mortis]

Str 53 Dex 10 Con 45?

Regards
Mortis

 

[Shade]

Now we're talkin'.

 

[Mortis]

These will need checking.
Base Attack Bonus/Grapple: +36/+73 (+36 BAB, +21 Str, +16 Size)
Attack: +49 (+36 BAB, +21 Str, -8 Size)

Regards
Mortis

 

[BOZ]

wow! i'll get to this guy sooner or later; i hadn't forgotten him, just busy with other stuff.

 

[Mortis]

The save DC for his poison kick (once we decide what it does) is an impressive 51.
(10 + 1/2 HD [24] + Con Mod [+17]).

Saves: Fort +43 Ref +16 Will +17

I'm assuming that good saves = 2/3 HD + Ability Mod
and that bad saves = 1/3 HD + Ability Mod

However I checked this against a few converted monsters namely the Ape of the Isles and Oonga and their good saves are a little lower. For example Oonga's Fort save is 25 (-5 for his Con modifier leaves 20 whereas 2/3 of his HD would be 24) is there a modifier that I'm forgetting? Possibly a size modifier?

Regards
Mortis

 

[Shade]

Actually, good saves are 1/2 HD + 2 + ability modifier.

 

[Mortis]

Well that explains a lot.

I'll fix the above saves

Regards
Mortis

 

[BOZ]

OK, about time I got into this guy. let's finish up him and the current conversions before starting any new ones, as that gives us another 10. looks like we're back in the swing, given that.

We also discussed a poison "kick" attack with his snake-legs.

" This giant has huge snake bodies and tails for legs. " I'm sorry, but I don't see how having snake tails for legs entitles him to getting poisonous bite attacks. Unless there is a mythological text out there somewhere that said he has snake heads on his feet?

I have no doubts that this fella should be Colossal.

this would be how I originally converted him, yes.

Using the hp/4.5 method, he'd have 48 Hit Dice. Does this sound reasonable?

it's a possibility. Shouldn't we set the CR first? We set the other giant Antaeus at 21. in 1E, anty had 100 hp and Ency had 219, so big difference there. Antaeus has no special attacks (but his growth makes him more smashy), but he does have a decent array of defensive powers. Ency has frightful presence and that funky spell turning ability.

Abilities: Str 35-40, Dex 8, Con 27-33, Int 8, Wis 13, Cha 14

Str 53 Dex 10 Con 45?

I had set him at Str 35, Dex 12, Con 30, Int 8, Wis 11, Cha 8 in my 3.0 conversion, but I am not against changing that.