Converting monsters from Imagine Magazine

[RavinRay]

Ok, I looked at the OA fey, and all three of them have higher HD than their CR: bajang 6d6 CR 5, bisan 10d6 CR 5, and the three nats 2d6 CR 1, 4d6 CR 3, 8d6 CR 4.

 

[Shroomy]

The agta's damage output is sick if it hits you with its two slams and rends (52 points of damage on average in its normal Large size and without power attack), but it has relatively low hit points, BAB, saving throws, AC, and initiative, as well as a fairly significant vulnerability. In combat against four 9th-level characters, it will probably go down in one round, and its only hope would be to use its invisibility to attack with surprise. I'd say that CR 9 is too high, but that damage output....

 

[Shade]

Hmmm...the hit points are a definite detriment, even with the DR cold iron taken into consideration.

A troll is CR 5 with 6 HD. Its damage output is a max of 54. It has 63 hp.

The agta clearly exceeds this, so let's look at another creature.

At CR 7, a hill giant has 12 HD, 102 hp, and a max damage output of 52. It is has a much better chance of hitting and survival than the agta, even if its damage output is a bit less. Does the agta's versatility, DR, and at will invisibility keep it on par?

So I suppose CR 6-7 is more appropriate that my original estimate of CR 9.

 

[Shroomy]

Hmmm...the hit points are a definite detriment, even with the DR cold iron taken into consideration.

A troll is CR 5 with 6 HD. Its damage output is a max of 54. It has 63 hp.

The agta clearly exceeds this, so let's look at another creature.

At CR 7, a hill giant has 12 HD, 102 hp, and a max damage output of 52. It is has a much better chance of hitting and survival than the agta, even if its damage output is a bit less. Does the agta's versatility, DR, and at will invisibility keep it on par?

So I suppose CR 6-7 is more appropriate that my original estimate of CR 9.

Shade, did you mean average damage or max damage in the above quote, because the agta delivers 52 points of damage on average with a full attack and rend. I would think that the agta would be a CR 6-7 creature if its damage output was reduced.

 

[Shade]

Shade, did you mean average damage or max damage in the above quote, because the agta delivers 52 points of damage on average with a full attack and rend. I would think that the agta would be a CR 6-7 creature if its damage output was reduced.

I meant max damage. I realize now that you meant average. The max damage output for an agta in Huge form is significantly higher (98 if my math is correct).

We could reduce the agta's slam damage to the usual slam damage for monsters of its sizes (Tiny = 1, Small = 1d3, Medium = 1d4, Large = 1d6, Huge = 1d8) or even one better than normal (Tiny = 1d3, Small = 1d4, Medium = 1d6, Large = 1d8, Huge = 2d6).

 

[Shroomy]

I meant max damage. I realize now that you meant average. The max damage output for an agta in Huge form is significantly higher (98 if my math is correct).

We could reduce the agta's slam damage to the usual slam damage for monsters of its sizes (Tiny = 1, Small = 1d3, Medium = 1d4, Large = 1d6, Huge = 1d8) or even one better than normal (Tiny = 1d3, Small = 1d4, Medium = 1d6, Large = 1d8, Huge = 2d6).

Using the normal slam damage progression yields an average damage of 34 points with a full attack and rend; a troll would inflict an average damage of 35 points with 2 claws and a rend (not even counting the bite attack). I think the average progression is the way to go, making the agta a CR 6 in my estimation.

 

[Shade]

Using the normal slam damage progression yields an average damage of 34 points with a full attack and rend; a troll would inflict an average damage of 35 points with 2 claws and a rend (not even counting the bite attack). I think the average progression is the way to go, making the agta a CR 6 in my estimation.

That might be the best way to go. Anyone disagree?

 

[freyar]

Sounds fine!

 

[Shade]

Updated. I made one slight change...1d2 for Tiny. 2-1 for rend just looked too odd.

Let's work on the variants...

Another type of Agta is the Kapre or Pugot, which has a shapechange ability in addition to the Agta's size change. Its favorite forms are those of a dark cat, dog, or boar, which has fiery eyes and breathes blue-green fire, a pure white fowl, or a headless and often mutilated corpse. In this last form it will caper along, singing merrily to itself and eating by pushing food into its bubbling neck-stump. Characters of less than 4th level who see it in this form must save vs. spell or flee.

Both forms of this demon can also emit a great roar once per turn, which causes fear as the spell unless the appropriate saving throw is made.

One favourite trick of the Pugot is to rush between the legs of an unwary traveller in its boar form, increase its size and carry its victim off, never to be seen again.

Edit: I'd call it a Large fey, with the kapre having the shapechanger subtype as well. The kapre is often depicted smoking a wad of rolled tobacco. You can read more about the kapre at Wikipedia, which is quite accurate.

 

[freyar]

Just stat out (or point people to the appropriate animal stats) these favored forms? I think I'd make the fire breath just a point of flavor. The mutilated corpse can have the same stats as the base agta but also a fear aura.