Converting monsters from Second Edition Monstrous Compendiums

[Cleon]

That pretty much seems like it for the non-winged version. Put 2 ranks each in Listen, Spot, Survival, or do we just want to put them all in Survival?

I'd rather spread them out. Besides, Worgs and Wolves don't have any ranks in Survival.

 

[freyar]

Well, these are specifically hunting/tracking animals, so I like Survival for them. But splitting the ranks up is a good idea.

 

[Cleon]

Well, these are specifically hunting/tracking animals, so I like Survival for them. But splitting the ranks up is a good idea.

Worgs and Wolves are not hunting animals? I don't think so!

Giving them a rank (or maybe 2) in Survival is OK, but I would much rather put the points in other skills.

 

[Shade]

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[Cleon]

Updated.

That looks OK to me.

I think we ought to the numbers or sizes in the Pack Overrun, since they're a size larger than a Saluqi. I'm not comfortable with the idea of allowing them to drag down a creature larger than an elephant, but maybe make the second sentence "The pack overrun prevents a Large or smaller opponent from avoiding the overrun and does not provoke an attack of opportunity" and leave the rest unchanged.

 

[Shade]

That looks OK to me.

I think we ought to the numbers or sizes in the Pack Overrun, since they're a size larger than a Saluqi. I'm not comfortable with the idea of allowing them to drag down a creature larger than an elephant, but maybe make the second sentence "The pack overrun prevents a Large or smaller opponent from avoiding the overrun and does not provoke an attack of opportunity" and leave the rest unchanged.

I'm amenable to lowering the numbers and limiting it to Large, although I'm not bothered by bringing down a Huge prey either.

 

[Cleon]

I'm amenable to lowering the numbers and limiting it to Large, although I'm not bothered by bringing down a Huge prey either.

That's not what I intended.

When I said I didn't want them bringing down a creature larger than an elephant, I meant I didn't want to increase the max size by one step (to Gargantuan) because the Gnashers are a size larger than Saluqis.

i.e. keep the max size Huge like a pack of Saluqis.

 

[Shade]

That's not what I intended.

When I said I didn't want them bringing down a creature larger than an elephant, I meant I didn't want to increase the max size by one step (to Gargantuan) because the Gnashers are a size larger than Saluqis.

i.e. keep the max size Huge like a pack of Saluqis.

In that case, I'm still not bothered by bringing down a Huge prey.

 

[Cleon]

In that case, I'm still not bothered by bringing down a Huge prey.

I think we're agreed on it, then.

Pack Overrun (Ex): A pack of four or more gnashers may use the overrun attack. The pack overrun prevents a Large or smaller opponent from avoiding the overrun and does not provoke an attack of opportunity. In addition, if the pack successfully overruns its opponent the pack may immediately end its movement in the opponent's square and pin the opponent. Pinning in subsequent rounds still requires successful opposed grapple checks.

For the overrun attempt and subsequent grapple checks, treat the gnasher pack as a single Large creature with strength equal to that of the strongest gnasher in the pack (so that the pack cannot overrun creatures larger than Huge). The gnashers' overrun and grapple checks also receive a bonus equal to the number of gnashers in the pack surrounding their target (that is, up to +8 for targets up to Medium, +12 for Large targets, and +16 for Huge targets). Furthermore, any adjacent gnashers can choose to deal damage with their bite attacks during the grapple.

 

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