Corrections to Monsters in the CC

Cleon

Hero
Just noticed that the Greater Peltast conversion has a couple of stat errors.

Its 2 Hit Dice mean that its Base Attack Bonus, Grapple Modifier, Attacks and Will Save should all be 1 point higher than the 1 Hit Dice regular Peltast.

I'll amend the version in the Enworld Resources CC in the next update, but might as well wait until we have a few conversions finished.

EDIT: Also the Greater Peltast and Peltast should both do 1d3-2 damage with their bite instead of 1d3-3 since their Strength of 6 gives a damage penalty of minus 2.
 

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Cleon

Hero
Well I've come across a puzzler.

There are two constructs in the Creature Catalog.

Firstly, there's the 3.5 "Golem, Statue that Walks" in the regular CC, credited to the 1E AD&D FR6 - Dreams of the Red Wizards (1988).

Secondly, there's 3.0 "Stone Colossus" in the Crypt, credited to the 2E AD&D FR10 Old Empires (1990). Presumably it was assigned to the Crypt because it shares a name with the Epic Level Handbook's Stone Colossus, despite the two monsters being

The problem? They're the same monster! The 2E version even flat out says "Of the magical warriors, the only ones that survive are the Statues-That-Walk, also known as stone colossi" so despite the MC entry naming them "Colossus, Stone" this is just an alternative "aka" name for them.

So I'm thinking the 3.0 version might need rescuing from the Crypt and both versions need a rename, at least in the CC index if not necessarily in the monster writeups themselves. Maybe to "Golem, Stone Colossus (Statue-That-Walks)"?

Should we change the source of the 3.0 version to FR6 and add a note that it was originally named "Statue that Walks" then renamed "Stone Colossus" in FR10? It might help to have a note on the 3.5 version about the name change too.

Actually, neither CC version mention the other name, unlike the original AD&D text there's no "also known as" bit in the CC description. I'd consider adding a sentence to both version's description explicating their two names.

Also, I'd consider adding the Inspire Terror ability of the 3.0 version to the 3.5 one.

Or perhaps we should leave the existing 3.0 and 3.5 versions as they are and add a new updated version incorporating the above suggestions? That way we won't "pollute" the original conversions with alterations.
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
My initial thought is to (1) move the 3.0 version out of the crypt and (2) put a note in each of the conversions' credits lines about the name change and link to each other. I'll have to think about whether to write another version.
 

Cleon

Hero
My initial thought is to (1) move the 3.0 version out of the crypt and (2) put a note in each of the conversions' credits lines about the name change and link to each other. I'll have to think about whether to write another version.

While we're on the subject of Colossi I was reading Creature Catalog's Colossus conversion - the one based on the creature from MC7 - Monstrous Compendium Spelljammer Appendix (1990) - and found it very unsatisfactory.

I'd argue it needs a revised edition.

Main problems:

SIZE: Shouldn't a 60-foot tall "basically humanoid" creature called a Colossus be, well COLOSSAL rather than Gargantuan? It's kind of in the name! At 60 feet it's just at the cusp of Gargantuan's 32 to 64 foot range and Colossal's 64 to 128 foot range. I can understand why it's Gargantuan. The listed weight (70 tons) scales down to a 273 pound Medium creature if you use the standard 8-times-heavier-per-size-category, and relative to the height a 60-foot 70-ton "colossus" has the same proportions as a 6-foot humanoid weighing from 140 pounds to 158 pounds (depending on what sort of ton we're talking about). Unfortunately, the MC7 illustration shows a creature almost as wide as he's tall - the picture's shoulder width literally measures at least 80% of his height, and he's not even standing straight on from the viewer so the angle would make it a few percent more. The guy's almost 50 foot wide! That also suggests the 70 ton weight is either too low or Colossi are abnormally light for their volume. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time a D&D monster's illustration differs drastically from the text description.

SPEED: Its 20 ft. land speed is way too slow - the original was four times faster than a human PLUS it's missing the original's Fly Speed.

ATTACKS: The base damage of its slam and rock attacks look way too low. 2d8 and 2d12 when the original did 50-100 damage with a punch (that's what, 10d6+40). Also, shouldn't the Slam attack use 1.5 times its Strength bonus since it only has one natural weapon attack? Unless they actually have a 2 slam full attack but can't use it due to being sooo sslloooowwwww. . .

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Since the MC7 says they are "not related to the giants of the known worlds" and their aim with thrown boulders "is so poor that it rarely hits what it aims at" a Colossus should NOT have a true giant's Rock Throwing and Rock Catching abilities!

Edit: If anything, they need an "Inaccuracy" special ability like the original monster! /Edit

SPELLJAMMING: They need an "In Spelljammer" subentry about installing spelljamming helms on the to make them fully spaceworthy, as described in the original MC entry.

More minor quibbles are:

Natural Armour could probably do with improving to make its AC a bit more "CR appropriate".

The Enhanced Metabolism and Single Action Only traits are fairly serviceable but I'd prefer something more elaborate.

The rest of the stats are fine. The Strength of 50 is more or less what you get advancing a SRD Cloud Giant to Colossal: Str 35 + 16 for going up from Huge = Str 51.

Hey look, another argument for Colossal!

This is starting to sound like I'm talking myself into doing another Cleon Special…
 

Cleon

Hero
My initial thought is to (1) move the 3.0 version out of the crypt and (2) put a note in each of the conversions' credits lines about the name change and link to each other. I'll have to think about whether to write another version.

Could we agree on what to do about the Stone Colossus since I'd like to incorporate the change in the next update.

My current thinking is:

Resurrect the Crypt's "Stone Colossus", rename it "Stone Colossus (Statue-that-Walks)(Golem)" and add the following note: "This monster was put in the Crypt under the belief it is the Stone Colossus in the Epic Level Handbook. It is actually the Statue-that-Walks variant Stone Golem so has been restored to the regular Creature Catalog."

Rename the Catalog's "Golem, Statue that Walks" to "Golem, Statue that Walks (Stone Colossus)" and add a note "This is a different monster from the Epic Level Handbook's Stone Colossus."

I'd also add "Colossus, Stone (Statue That Walks)(Golem)" and "Golem, Stone Colossus (Statue-That-Walks)" as alternative spelling.

Incidentally, I'd be happy to create a new conversion with the Inspire Terror ability of the original and 3.0 versions, but would like to get the re-categorizing out of the way quickly. So unless we can stat one up in a week or so I don't want to wait before sorting out the names & notes of the existing versions.
 

Cleon

Hero
Could we agree on what to do about the Stone Colossus since I'd like to incorporate the change in the next update.

My current thinking is:

Resurrect the Crypt's "Stone Colossus", rename it "Stone Colossus (Statue-that-Walks)(Golem)" and add the following note: "This monster was put in the Crypt under the belief it is the Stone Colossus in the Epic Level Handbook. It is actually the Statue-that-Walks variant Stone Golem so has been restored to the regular Creature Catalog."

Rename the Catalog's "Golem, Statue that Walks" to "Golem, Statue that Walks (Stone Colossus)" and add a note "This is a different monster from the Epic Level Handbook's Stone Colossus."

I'd also add "Colossus, Stone (Statue That Walks)(Golem)" and "Golem, Stone Colossus (Statue-That-Walks)" as alternative spelling.

Incidentally, I'd be happy to create a new conversion with the Inspire Terror ability of the original and 3.0 versions, but would like to get the re-categorizing out of the way quickly. So unless we can stat one up in a week or so I don't want to wait before sorting out the names & notes of the existing versions.

Well I didn't have anything to do this morning so I statted up a merged Stone Colossus / Statue that Walks Golem.

We can forget about changing the existing Crypt and Catalog versions in the Creature Catalog and just cover it with a note on the new version, which I'll present in the next post.
 

Cleon

Hero
Golem, Stone Colossus (Statue-that-Walks)
Huge Construct
Hit Dice: 22d10+40 (161 hp)
Initiative: –1
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 26 (–2 size, –1 Dex, +19 natural), touch 7, flat-footed 26
Base Attack/Grapple: +16/+36
Attack: Slam +26 melee (4d8+12)
Full Attack: 2 slams +26 melee (4d8+12)
Space/Reach: 15 ft./15 ft.
Special Attacks: Double damage against objects, inspire terror
Special Qualities: Construct traits, damage reduction 10/adamantine, darkvision 60 ft., immunity to magic, low-light vision, repair structure
Saves: Fort +7, Ref +6, Will +7
Abilities: Str 35, Dex 9, Con —, Int —, Wis 11, Cha 10
Skills:
Feats:
Environment: Any
Organization: Solitary or gang (2–4)
Challenge Rating: 14
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 23–42 (Huge)
Level Adjustment:

This massive stone statue begins to move of its own volition, heading toward a nearby building.

Statues-that-walk are specialized stone golems designed to maintain and repair buildings.

The statues-that-walk were originally built as caretakers by a long-dead race. Knowing that they faced extinction, the ancient race built the statues to maintain the glory of their monuments and buildings and tear down anything that would detract from them. Many of the ancient structures have long since sunk beneath the earth, but the statues know where they should be. They would move entire hills or rip apart towns to unearth a buried monument. A statue-that-walks performs the tasks assigned to it until destroyed, deactivated, or all of its tasks are completed. If it finishes all its work, the statue becomes rigid and awaits new orders.

A statue-that-walks' instructions are sophisticated enough that should it face a task that's impossible to complete it will only work until it exhausts the possibility of success. For example, if tasked with maintaining a structure that no longer exists, the statue will excavate to the depths of its original foundations and search the area for rubble or remains of the structure before considering the task complete.

A statue-that-walks will repair any other constructs assigned to the care or protection of its building.

A statue-that-walks is 18 feet tall and weighs around 22,000 pounds.

Statues-that-walk cannot speak or understand languages. They were “programmed” by drawing runes upon them. The art of creating and altering their programming is long lost, but the rune-program for stopping a statue on the rampage is still known to scholars (see Immunity to Magic for details). If a group of statues-that-walk is programmed to perform the same task, every statue in the group must be inscribed with a new rune-program to change their instructions.

COMBAT
A statue-that-walks has little interest in battle, but will attack any creature openly harming a building under its care. If a statue-that-walks encounters any new, unauthorized structures in the proximity of its assigned buildings, it batters the foreign structure to rubble.

Double Damage against Objects (Ex): A statue-that-walks that makes a full attack against an object or structure deals double damage.

Immunity to Magic (Ex): A statue-that-walks is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance. In addition, certain spells and effects function differently against the creature, as noted below.

A transmute rock to mud spell slows a statue-that-walks (as the slow spell) for 2d6 rounds, with no saving throw, while transmute mud to rock heals all of its lost hit points.

A stone to flesh spell does not actually change the golem's structure but negates its damage reduction and immunity to magic for 1 full round.

A statue-that-walks is affected normally by any symbol, glyph of warding or sepia snake sigil spell. Furthermore, any of these spells can be inscribed upon the golem as if it were a surface. If the golem is moving or resisting the inscription, the spellcaster must succeed at a touch attack on each round of the spell's casting time (minimum 1 touch attack) to trace the spell out on the golem. If any inscription touch attack misses, the spell fails. If the inscription succeeds, the statue-that-walks then attempts a Will save (DC equals spell's DC); on a successful save the inscribed spell dissipates harmlessly, if the golem fails its save it is rendered immobile and helpless until the symbol, glyph or sigil is discharged.

The statue can also be immobilized by ritually inscribing a secret series on runes upon it, which instruct the statue to pause its current task. Discovering these secret runes requires a DC 25 Knowledge (arcana) check, DC 25 Gather Information check, or DC 22 Bardic Knowledge check. Inscribing the runes on a statue-that-walks takes 1 minute (10 rounds). Unfortunately, the runes must be inscribed on every statue-that-walks that is assigned a particular task before they take effect and immobilize every statue in that group. The statues-that-walk remain immobile until reactivated by one of their assigned tasks being triggered or the immobilizing runes being overwritten by the inscription of new runes or any symbol, glyph of warding or sepia snake sigil spell upon one of the statues (the new glyph or runes need not be a valid instruction or affect the statue to cancel the immobilization, the attempt at inscribing them is enough to neutralize the immobilization rune-program).

Inspire Terror (Ex): A statue-that-walks can inspire terror by marching. Any creature with less than 6 HD is subjected to the effects if it fails a Will save (DC 21). On a successful save, the subject is immune to the inspire terror ability of that statue-that-walks for one day. The save DC is Charisma-based.

On a failure, creatures with 2 or fewer HD become panicked for 4d6 rounds and those with 3 to 5 HD become shaken for 4d6 rounds.

Repair Structure (Su): A statue-that-walks can magically maintain or rebuild a building or other structure, molding stone or wood as if they were putty (treat as the stone shape or wood shape spells). It can smooth damaged sections back to their original condition, or form raw materials into new parts for a structure that is partially destroyed. For every hour the statue spends repairing a structure it can repair 100 hit points of damage. A statue-that-walks can use repair structure to heal the damage of another wooden or stone golem, including other statues-that-walk. It can not heal any other kind of golem or living creatures that have been petrified, nor can it fix a wood or stone golem that has been destroyed.

Construction
The secret of creating statues-that-walk has been long forgotten. Anyone wishing to create one must first discover the necessary information by succeeding at a DC 35 Knowledge (arcana) check, a DC 35 Gather Information check, or a DC 30 Bardic Knowledge check.

A statue-that-walks' body is chiseled from a single block of hard stone, such as granite, weighing at least 33,000 pounds. The stone must be of exceptional quality, and costs 5,000 gp. Assembling the body requires a DC 17 Craft (sculpting) check or a DC 17 Craft (stonemasonry) check.

CL 14th; Craft Construct, antimagic field, geas/quest, stone shape, symbol of stunning, wood shape, caster must be at least 14th level; Price 125,000 gp; Cost 65,000 gp + 4,800 XP.

In the Realms
Statues-that-walk are found in the Prefecture of Gheldaneth. The ancient race of desert-dwelling giants that created them was wiped out by a series of plagues centuries ago, but left the statues to maintain the glory of these structures and tear down anything that would detract from them. Most have been immobilized by glyphs of warding placed on them by the lizard folk who occupied their lands.

Over a thousand statues-that-walk remain in Gheldaneth, and the extinct giants assigned them all the task of maintaining their monuments. Many of them are unknown to the Prefecture's modern inhabitants, standing in forgotten valleys or buried in the earth. Should any of these statues-that-walk ever be reactivated, anyone wanting to perform the immobilization ritual that stops them would have to find every one of the thousand-odd statues and inscribe the immobilizing runes upon them all.

Notes: The Statue that Walks Golem in the Creature Catalog and the Stone Colossus in the Creature Catalog's Crypt are actually the same monster, the Statue that Walks that originally appeared in FR6 Dreams of the Red Wizards. The Stone Colossus from FR10 Old Empires is a different monster from the Epic Level Handbook's Stone Colossus so should not have been assigned to the Crypt. The above entry includes elements from both conversions.

Originally appeared in FR6 - Dreams of the Red Wizards (1988).

Design Notes
I took the Creature Catalog conversion of the Statue that Walks Golem as the base creature and added the Strength 35, 3d10 slam attacks and Inspire Terror from the CC Crypt's Stone Colossus.

The Colossus's Str 35 is far more appropriate for a Huge Stone Golem than the Statue that Walks' Str 31, since a normal Stone Golem advanced to Huge would have Strength 37.

To keep the Inspire Terror's save DC at 21 like the FR10-based version I increased the monster's Charisma to 10. With Charisma 1 it would have had a DC 16 save.

I've also slightly tweaked the In the Realms section's text, adding “desert-dwelling giants” after the “ancient race” and moving “series of plagues” to the same sentence from the basic creature's background info.

Secondly, I've moved the “secret of creating statues that walk” paragraph to Construction where it seems a more natural fit.

Thirdly, I added the "immobilizing runes" that feature in the original scenario and Monster Compendium entry.

The Inspire Terror special ability isn't significant for CR-appropriate opponents due to its HD limit and it doesn't mention any range. Also, I'd prefer the duration to be 2d6 rounds like the original. I'd recommend rewriting it to be have some effect against more puissant foes, i.e.:


Inspire Terror (Ex): A statue-that-walks shakes the earth when it marches and can inspire terror with its mere presence. This ability takes effect automatically whenever the statue attacks, charges, or moves. Creatures within a radius of 180 feet are subject to the effect if they have fewer HD than the statue-that-walks and fail a Will save (DC 21). On a successful save, the subject is immune to the inspire terror ability of that statue-that-walks for one day. The save DC is Charisma-based.

On a failure, creatures with 2 or fewer HD become panicked for 2d6 rounds, those with 3 to 5 HD become frightened for 2d6 rounds and those with 6 or more HD become shaken for 2d6 rounds.

In closing, I recommend increasing the Challenge Rating to 14. This is the CR of a standard 22 HD Huge Stone Golem. (base CR 11 +2 CR for +8 HD, +1 CR for size increase). The weakness to rune-inscription doesn't seem quite worth it being a full CR lower.
 
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Cleon

Hero
Just noticed that the attack lines of the CC's Dinichthys conversion doesn't include the creature's augmented critical special attack - i.e. it's damage is (3d6+12) rather than (3d6+12/18-20×3).

I've amended the entry should it should appear in the next update.

EDIT: Oh, and while I'm at it I might as well correct the original entry's misspelling of the name to "Dinicthys"

EDITED EDIT: Also, I'm seriously tempted to remove the filename's "Dinosaur" since the dang thing's (a) a fish and (b) went extinct way before the Dinosauria even appeared, but upon reflection decided to honour the original non-taxonomically-correct indexing.

RE-EDITED EDITED EDIT: Oh, and I noticed another mispelling - "costal" instead of "coastal", now corrected in the pending amendment.
 
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Cleon

Hero
It's not so much a correction as a quibble, but I've just noticed the CC conversion of Gorgosaurus has "A gorgosaurus is a smaller, leaner relative of the famous tyrannosaurus, also known as the albertosaurus" as the first line of the background information. That could be interpreted as saying Tyrannosaurus has Albertosaurus as a synonym rather than Gorgo.

Would you object to me swapping the final sentence-fragment to the front, making it "Also known as albertosaurus, a gorgosaurus is a smaller, leaner relative of the famous tyrannosaurus"?

Incidentally, the only currently recognized species, Gorgosaurus libratus might actually be an Albertosaurus instead - the two genera are so alike paleontologists are divided on the issue whether to, well, keep them divided or combine them into one genus. Since old Albert's genus has precedence that'd make Gorgo Albertosaurus libratus.

The Gorgosaurus has had quite a few synonyms, since it was first discovered in the 19th century when paleontologists were a lot more enthusiastic about creating new families and genera.
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
For the Statue-That-Walks, I will agree to the revised Inspire Terror ability. And I think just adding this one with links to the crypt version and other 3.5 version in the note will work. CR 14 is good.

I might be ok with editing the Colossus like you suggest. Or preserving this version for archival purposes and having another edited version. What do you want to do?

Good catch on the "dinos"! I will go for all those changes.
 

Cleon

Hero
For the Statue-That-Walks, I will agree to the revised Inspire Terror ability. And I think just adding this one with links to the crypt version and other 3.5 version in the note will work. CR 14 is good.

Okay, I'll include it in the next CC update which'll likely be in a day or three.

I might be ok with editing the Colossus like you suggest. Or preserving this version for archival purposes and having another edited version. What do you want to do?

Just to make sure, we are talking about the "Spelljammer" colossus now? I'd be inclined to create a new version to add to the CC rather than editing the existing one, since there's likely to be some significant changes to it.

Good catch on the "dinos"! I will go for all those changes.

Ditto on the CC update.
 


Cleon

Hero
Just noticed a bit of an omission in the CC's Afanc conversion.

The tactics says "The afanc likes to attack small ships with its whirlpool attack, or charge at small boats and rafts to capsize them" while the special attacks section tells me this monster has no capsize attack.

Have to dig out my copy of City of Delights and see what the beastie's original Combat description says. Might be worth considering it for a 3.5 update since we've only got a 3.0 conversion in the Catalog.
 

Cleon

Hero
The tactics says "The afanc likes to attack small ships with its whirlpool attack, or charge at small boats and rafts to capsize them" while the special attacks section tells me this monster has no capsize attack.

Come across a more significant problem. After thinking "You know, I really don't care for the official capsize rules" I started browsing the CC for alternative mechanisms like Oceanus's Create Waves ability or the Chont's Ramming when I noticed the following in the latter's special attack:

Creature Catalog's Chont Conversion said:
Ramming (Ex):
The break DC varies with the type of vessel rammed, as follows: rowboat DC 20, keelboat DC 23, sailing ship or longship DC 25, warship DC 27, or galley DC 30. (See Chapter 5 of the DMG for information about ships).

The problem? Ships and boats aren't even in the Dungeon Master's Guide, or at least not the 3.5 edition. during the 3.0 to 3.5 half-edition upgrade they were moved from the Expanded Equipment section of the 3.0 DMG's Chapter Five to Chapter Seven of the 3.5 Player's Handbook.

So should we change it to "See Chapter 7 of the PHB"?

I'm more inclined to either delete the bracketed "(See … ships)" sentence entirely or make it "(For information about ships see Transport in the Equipment section of the SRD.)"

Also, does it really need the brackets?
 
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Cleon

Hero
Have to dig out my copy of City of Delights and see what the beastie's original Combat description says. Might be worth considering it for a 3.5 update since we've only got a 3.0 conversion in the Catalog.

Well for a complete service I checked out every AD&D version of the Afanc.

The original 1E Monster Manual II (1981) has "Of course, rafts, boats, and similar small craft (30 feet or less in length) are typically rushed, knocked so as to capsize, and the passengers consumed by the greedy beast."

The Al-Qadim boxed set City of Delights (1993) contains the Afanc's first 2E appearance as "Afanc (Gawwar Samakat)", and has "Seagoing vessels more than 60 feet long are generally unmolested, but they may be rammed by the creature. Boats and rafts less than 30 feet long are almost always rammed in an attempt to capsize them." followed by exception-based rules for ramming (the afanc makes an attack roll, 4+ capsizes the "AC 5" regular vessel, 6+ if it gains +2 "AC" by evading, the ship must ALSO make a save vs. crushing blow or sink in 1d10 rounds.

The Monstrous Compendium Annual Volume One (1994) has a slightly tweaked version of the Al-Qadim version, and makes no mention of that monster's Zakharan name of gawwar samakat. It has a Ramming attack that uses the same capsize & crushing blow mechanism as the City of Delights version.

So the original version could ram ships with a special attack that combines a "ship-flipping" capsize attack like a Dragon Turtle with a "hull-breaching" ramming attack like a Chont.

Looks like we've got a candidate for a 3.5 upgrade or a Cleon Special on our hands!
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
For the Chont, we should just refer to the SRD. We used to refer to the rulebooks more, but I lean toward pointing to the SRD these days. Feel free to drop parentheses if you like. :)

Well, eventually we should start doing 3.0 to 3.5 updates again! Let's start with the Afanc, why not? That'll let me think about how I'd want to approach how it attacks ships. Want to put the original and 3.0 versions in the update thread?
 

Cleon

Hero
For the Chont, we should just refer to the SRD. We used to refer to the rulebooks more, but I lean toward pointing to the SRD these days. Feel free to drop parentheses if you like. :)

I'm leaning slightly towards keeping the parentheses since they're in the original version and it feels right to keep text changes to the minimum when re-editing existing CC entries (it feels fairer to reserve that to new monsters or separate new versions of a monster).

Okay, I've changed my CC master copy of the Chont from "See Chapter 5 of the DMG for information about ships" to "See Equipment in the SRD for information about ships".

Did a quick search for the "See Chapter DMG" of the CC and got a couple of hits I'd better check to see if any need amending…

Well, eventually we should start doing 3.0 to 3.5 updates again! Let's start with the Afanc, why not? That'll let me think about how I'd want to approach how it attacks ships. Want to put the original and 3.0 versions in the update thread?

Sure.

Do you mind if we start doing a new version of the Spelljammer version of the Colossus as well?
 

Cleon

Hero
Okay, I've changed my CC master copy of the Chont from "See Chapter 5 of the DMG for information about ships" to "See Equipment in the SRD for information about ships".

Did a quick search for the "See Chapter DMG" of the CC and got a couple of hits I'd better check to see if any need amending…

Said search returned six hits, five of which (including the Chont) referred to the Ships section of the DMG that doesn't appear in 3.5. Four with a Ramming special attack (Balaena, Chont, Gammaroid, Vampire Squid) , plus one with a Crush Ship special attack (Super Eel).

The other hit was the 3.0 Zombie Lord Template which has a "see Disease, page 74 in the DMG" reference which I can't be bothered amending. That one doesn't have a 3.5 update yet and I'm not terribly bothered about it.

I've amended the five that ram/crush ships for the next update.
 

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