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D&D and the rising pandemic

Dannyalcatraz

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"Human capital" is an economic term. It has a specific meaning and while many have mistaken it in a "dehumanizing" manner, that's not how it's meant or how it was used.
I have a degree in economics. I know the term. That it is academic in origins and intended to be used in formal economics does not make it not dehumanizing. It is, just in a neutral way.

That’s why it’s an economic term not one generally used in interviews. Despite its origins, using it outside of a forum where you can give it proper context leads to bad optics.

In an interview regarding a subject where you already have a context of some people complaining they are being undervalued and sacrificed for the sake of profits, you get terrible optics.

I mean, imagine using “human capital” while directly addressing restless strikers. Do you think the results would calming or inflammatory?
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
Yay!

Well, "new cases" rarely catches asymptomatic carriers. But asymptomatic carriers either heal, or they infect someone who becomes symptomatic. And then contact tracing - targeted isolation - testing can backtrack and eliminate the asymptomatic.

So "all but". A week isn't enough to know it is wiped out.

Now the question: are you going to offer refuge to people who are willing to fly in, then quarantine while being tested for 2+ weeks? Could replace some tourism dollars in the short term!
They are already doing that. Borders not 100% sealed. Some German engineers and Avatar movie production types have made it in. Citizens can also get in although flights might be hard.

They're looking at opening up soon with Australia and Pacific Islands. By soon September.

Hollywood production also looking at NZ.

They may have missed some cases but no one's been admitted en masse, healthcare system was never under any stress.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I have a degree in economics. I know the term. That it is academic in origins and intended to be used in formal economics does not make it not dehumanizing. It is, just in a neutral way.

That’s why it’s an economic term not one generally used in interviews. Despite its origins, using it outside of a forum where you can give it proper context leads to bad optics.

In an interview regarding a subject where you already have a context of some people complaining they are being undervalued and sacrificed for the sake of profits, you get terrible optics.

I mean, imagine using “human capital” while directly addressing restless strikers. Do you think the results would calming or inflammatory?
It's not what you say but how you say it.

Basic communication 101.
 

It's not what you say but how you say it.
Eh, it's both. If you say something like, "Old people should die for the economy" like this guy:
It's not always a matter of how you say something.

(Just a small correction. My point here is that it is what you say and how you say it.)

Human capital is an economic term, which I know from taking an economy class this year. Sure, they should've chosen different language, but doctors don't care much about making people feel good as explaining the situation.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Eh, it's both. If you say something like, "Old people should die for the economy" like this guy:
It's not always a matter of how you say something.

(Just a small correction. My point here is that it is what you say and how you say it.)

Human capital is an economic term, which I know from taking an economy class this year. Sure, they should've chosen different language, but doctors don't care much about making people feel good as explaining the situation.
I prefer ablunt doctor/vet.

Empathy or the ability to feign it is useful for a politician.

Here the opposition rolled their leader and spent the week scoring own goals and self inflicted wounds.

Jacindas approval ratings through the roof.
 

I prefer doctors who tell you exactly what the odds are and the facts, which is way better than any doctor who sugarcoats the problem. The WH economist probably should've explained what they were talking about. In a time of crisis, it's normally best to make sure people know what you're talking about. Confusion and fingerpointing is the opposite of what we need now.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I prefer doctors who tell you exactly what the odds are and the facts, which is way better than any doctor who sugarcoats the problem. The WH economist probably should've explained what they were talking about. In a time of crisis, it's normally best to make sure people know what you're talking about. Confusion and fingerpointing is the opposite of what we need now.
Yeah difference between doctor and politician.

Just got the daily update. No new cases.
 

3,231 overall confirmed cases in my county in Washington. Only 585 have recovered, and we have 93 deaths. Yesterday, we had 91 deaths, and just over 3,100 cases.
It's not looking good in my city.
 

ad_hoc

Hero
3,231 overall confirmed cases in my county in Washington. Only 585 have recovered, and we have 93 deaths. Yesterday, we had 91 deaths, and just over 3,100 cases.
It's not looking good in my city.
That's a lot.

How big is the city?

I think the Greater Toronto Area (6 million population) has somewhere around 2600 active cases and it is being treated as a hot spot here as the numbers are starting to climb back up.
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Nothing wrong with being blunt. There IS something wrong when you choose your words poorly, inflaming a situation instead of mitigating tensions.

To continue the Doctor/Vet analogy, it’s one thing to say “I’m sorry, but Mary’s condition is terminal.” and quite another to say “Congrats on your impending inheritance- Mary’s a goner for sure!”
 

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40th lv DM
Eh, it's both. If you say something like, "Old people should die for the economy" like this guy:
It's not always a matter of how you say something.
How much do you want to bet that this guy is nowhere near anyone or anything that could possibly expose him to the coronavirus?
 

Zardnaar

Legend
3,231 overall confirmed cases in my county in Washington. Only 585 have recovered, and we have 93 deaths. Yesterday, we had 91 deaths, and just over 3,100 cases.
It's not looking good in my city.
I see something about reopening in June.

Korea has closed schools again. I'm guessing lockdown wasn't that strict.

I wouldn't reopen until active cases are 0 or so low you know everyone with it and they're in isolation and random testing turns up 0 cases.
 

How much do you want to bet that this guy is nowhere near anyone or anything that could possibly expose him to the coronavirus?
Definitely. Like Trump, hiding from Covid-19 in the White House, with testing every day for everyone who works or visits there. I'm sure that Governor is hiding from the virus if he can. People younger than him have died. People younger than I have died, and I'm 18, with asthma.
 

I see something about reopening in June.

Korea has closed schools again. I'm guessing lockdown wasn't that strict.

I wouldn't reopen until active cases are 0 or so low you know everyone with it and they're in isolation and random testing turns up 0 cases.
Korea did a pretty good job at locking down. They've just had some people who break the rules, and cause more cases.
I wouldn't open up until it's gone, but that's not going to happen in America.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
To continue the Doctor/Vet analogy...
So, my wife is a veterinarian. Her practice is dedicated to geriatric and hospice care, and end of life.

You people may be different, but in general, when facing death of a loved one, when the patient or client may be needing to make decisions from a state of anticipatory grief, tact and careful choice of wording is what serves most folks best.

Vets with her concentration that are blunt don't stay in practice long. Those that are tactful get 5-star reviews. Take that for what you will.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
So, my wife is a veterinarian. Her practice is dedicated to geriatric and hospice care, and end of life.

You people may be different, but in general, when facing death of a loved one, when the patient or client may be needing to make decisions from a state of anticipatory grief, tact and careful choice of wording is what serves most folks best.

Vets with her concentration that are blunt don't stay in practice long. Those that are tactful get 5-star reviews. Take that for what you will.
Our vets fairly blunt. People working under him are really nice. He has some amount of tact though just tends towards the clinical side of things.

He's been doing it for a while, I guess you would get jaded after 30 odd years.
 


tomBitonti

Explorer
Nothing wrong with being blunt. There IS something wrong when you choose your words poorly, inflaming a situation instead of mitigating tensions.

To continue the Doctor/Vet analogy, it’s one thing to say “I’m sorry, but Mary’s condition is terminal.” and quite another to say “Congrats on your impending inheritance- Mary’s a goner for sure!”
A thing: “Terminal” is poor word choice. A condition can be terminal while having an expected end of life anywhere from hours to months to years. I had a cat with progressive kidney failure that was in this state.

‘Better: ”Mary’s condition can be treated, but only to partially restore function. With extensive care, you might extend Mary’s life by several months. Mary has some discomfort now, but that will become gradually worse.”

Communication has to be specific (enough), and accurate (enough), and spoken to truly be informative without injecting noise.

Be Safe, Be Well,
Tom Bitonti
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Another day of 0 cases.

Long weekend at local pub for meal. Hand sanitizer everywhere and the waiter was good with making you sign in for tracing or using the app.

For a Monday it's quite busy. Sister in law family went to the resort of Queenstown and it was busier than pre Covid apparently.

Limited to 100 people in pub at once. Might be the last hurrah before things fall apart. Next public holiday is in October after wage subsidy runs out.

D&D is a maybe in 3 weeks.

Only 600 tests today due to holiday
Peaked in the 7000+ range.
 
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