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D&D and the rising pandemic

Zardnaar

Legend
To be fair, Miss Manners would probably frown on ANY level of smug. Best to keep that private.

OTOH, she’s human, soooooo...

And, TBF, our body count is largely due to purely avoidable reasons, so those who are doing it right have some justification in looking down their noses at us. Especially considering the smugness we usually project on the world stage.

As was once written:

I posted an Australian cartoon. There was a context others might not get. How countries tend to see themselves.

USA American exceptionalism (we're great)
Australia. Aussie battler (fight/don't give up)
NZ number 8 fencing wire. (Fix it yourself)

The cartoon had an Aussie batter playing cricket. Batter/battler.

I thought it would be suitably mild to post.

I can't really post some of the other stuff being printed in newspapers and online. Aussies post in NZ reddit and vice versa.

Aussies are blunt.
 

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Hussar

Legend
Just curious if any mainland, continental country is really "out of it" yet? (Comparing isolated nations doesn't seem fair.) It seems like nations that handled it well at the beginning are all slipping back into the dangerous territory. My state here in the US was commended for doing excellent at the start, we eased the restrictions eventually, and we're breaking records for deaths and infections nearly every day now. And I don't know if it's because of bad leadership, people not wanting to follow the mandates, or just that this virus is going to spread to everyone eventually anyway.

In addition Korea is doing well. China apparently is doing well but, frankly, I can't really trust anything they are saying.

But, yeah, East and Southeast Asia have seemed to manage the crisis fairly well, and, a considerably lot better than Europe and North America.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
If you had the money being stuck in Palau/Samoa/Vanuatu/Micronesia etc wouldn't be to bad. Cheap living costs just get drunk on a tropical island for the rest of 2020 kava optional. If you have seen the TV show Survivor the Covid free nation's are basically location shoots.

Kava is an aquired taste, not a fan personally.

Vietnam in the right spot wouldn't be to bad.
 
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Meanwhile, in Florida...

It is probably fair to say that no one had high hopes for Florida. They are after all the capital of crazy.

But how do nearby states deal with this? Can a US state close their borders to another state?
 


ssvegeta555

Explorer
I think some might be better. IDK how good the testing is but yeah very few deaths.

Haven't looked for a few weeks though.

Vietnam.


Fewer cases than NZ, slightly more deaths vastly bigger population.

97 million people 0.4 deaths per million (NZ is 5).

1 million tests done.

Cambodia 15 million people 0 deaths from the look of it.

Vietnam also kept a British expat on life support linger than they would in the UK, he would have died back home.

Seems to fit the criteria of large mainland population and very few cases/deaths.
I know Vietnam tests a lot and are very quick to act. Granted, sometimes they go too overboard like quarantine an entire city block or hospitals with any cases or relation to a case. No one in, no one out for 14 days.

Regardless, testing and tracing is very good from what my fiancee has said (she lives in Ho Chi Minh City). When she flew up to Ha Noi for a business trip last month she got tested once at each airport and filled out forms for contact tracing info. Filled out a form at the hotel too.

Vietnam has recently opened up their international airports for foreign visitors but only from select countries that has handled the pandemic well like South Korea, Singapore, and Japan. But it could be for only Vietnamese citizens (or foreigners married to one) heading back home. I'm not quite sure. However when they exit the plane they have to wear full body protective suits, get tested and then head to quarantine. They get tested again after a few days and if both tests were negative after 5 days or so of quarantine they're free to enter. Seems a bit surreal to be honest.

Before their second wave in late July, they had less than a 100 cases all told and no deaths. Not sure on the exact numbers now, 1,000 I think, but they had a few deaths. The first death was big news over there. So far I believe they've been case free for a while.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
And, TBF, our body count is largely due to purely avoidable reasons, so those who are doing it right have some justification in looking down their noses at us.....

I would like to note the irony here.

Someone, trying to prevent a bit of harm, says, "Hey, maybe you should alter your behavior a bit." Sure, it is a minor inconvenience, but might avoid bad results for some.

And, rather than, "Okay, that's fair." We get rationalization and deflection?

Bit of the world writ small, and an interesting meta-text.
 
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Eltab

Hero
Just curious if any mainland, continental country is really "out of it" yet? (Comparing isolated nations doesn't seem fair.) It seems like nations that handled it well at the beginning are all slipping back into the dangerous territory. My state here in the US was commended for doing excellent at the start, we eased the restrictions eventually, and we're breaking records for deaths and infections nearly every day now. And I don't know if it's because of bad leadership, people not wanting to follow the mandates, or just that this virus is going to spread to everyone eventually anyway.
If COVID can hang out in animals or on plants, we are kidding ourselves by pulling the FIRE alarm over every case. Modifying Merlin in Excalibur: "The virus is everywhere. The virus is on everything. " The question is more What can we do to make normal immune systems tough enough to stomp down the virus before it reaches contagious stage?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
If COVID can hang out in animals or on plants, we are kidding ourselves by pulling the FIRE alarm over every case.

My wife's a veterinarian, and keeps up with such things - at this time, as compared to passing human-to-human, animals are a negligible source of covid-19 infections. If you work with animals that are kept in close proximity with people (like, you're a veterinarian), then there's precautions to be taken. But you should worry more about whether Fido's owner is wearing a mask than about Fido.

Covid-19 hanging around on plants in your environment is similarly not an issue to worry about. Food items that have been handled by humans still ought to be washed, but you aren't going to catch it from the oak tree in your yard, or someone's lawn.
 

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
After a gender reveal party started a huge fire in California again this year, maybe gender reveal parties should simply be banned. They are dumb anyway.



That is simply criminal. Those parents should go to jail.

They are dumb. And this was for my future nephew. Understood as another venue to get some more gifts or money from people you know. Luckily, most of the people didn't come. And some that were invited didn't come because they actually tested positive.

Luckily one of those being my cousin, has only experienced lost of taste, as the worst symptom.

A cousin that is part of my normal in person group. So putting some validity on why we haven't held a session since the outbreak.
 

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
RE: ADA and masks

A little clarification might be coming in at least one case...

Personally, if I had asthma, going to a football game during a pandemic without my own protection is probably the last thing I am going to be doing. That being besides the numerous ways it was stated that masks were required.

I mean... she was told to leave. I guess she thought she was calling the officer's bluff? That worked out well for her.
 

Eltab

Hero
Can a US state close their borders to another state?
Early on when NYC became a raging hotspot, Rhode Island tried to shut off the flow of NYC'ers going "on vacation" (actually fleeing the epidemic). Since the first go at a Corona test kit had fizzled, nobody knew who had it or who did not. RI roadblocked the Connecticut border - look at a map to see why - and turned back all cars with NY license plates. That lasted about a day because the CT authorities complained; traffic jams and they didn't want maybe-contagious-carriers either. Under pressure from both States' governors, the RI Governor gave in.

That is what really trying to "stop the spread" would look like. And how people reacted to it.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
That is what really trying to "stop the spread" would look like. And how people reacted to it.

There are other ways.

Massachusetts has a list. If your state is on the list*, you can travel to MA freely. If you are not, you have to file papers, and either quarantine or get a negative test. If you do not comply, you get a fine of $500 per day you are not in compliance.

Now, it doesn't stop you at the border, but the financial risk of sticking around when you shouldn't is severe. They probably don't catch you immediately - which means that fine may be several thousand dollars when all is said and done. It has apparently been a good policy for preventing certain forms of travel that we really don't want to deal with at the moment.

*there are currently only 9 states on the list.
 



Personally, if I had asthma, going to a football game during a pandemic without my own protection is probably the last thing I am going to be doing. That being besides the numerous ways it was stated that masks were required.

I mean... she was told to leave. I guess she thought she was calling the officer's bluff? That worked out well for her.

This is another one that I learned about and am keeping on eye on:


At first glance, seems like someone seeking out a paycheck. The details do look interesting, though (assuming you believe some key things from the plaintiff's side).
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
At first glance, seems like someone seeking out a paycheck. The details do look interesting, though (assuming you believe some key things from the plaintiff's side).

I'm guessing the facts of the matter are probably fairly clear-cut. They probably are immune suppressed, and they probably weren't allowed into the store.

The questions are in what that means in terms of interpretting whether the practice is discriminatory. I'm going to guess that it won't be found to be discrimination. Both Walmart and the state have a clear interest in keeping more people safe. Just taking people's word for it defeats the purpose of the policy, but having highly qualified personnel do it would be too high a practical burden. Sorry, but in the overall health crisis, quick and dirty may be acceptable.
 

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