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D&D and the rising pandemic

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
When you are talking about the urgency of stopping the disease definitely so.

Maybe so. In terms of getting through to a person who doesn't want to accept your point, someone who is looking for any excuse to not believe you, it can very much look like you are trying to pad the numbers. It gives them a point to argue on, a wedge they can stick in your presentation that allows them to feel justified in dismissing you entirely.

A better approach is "these X people are killed by the virus (in a direct biological sense) and these Y people are killed by the ancillary effects of our being in a pandemic (the healthcare system being overloaded, folks losing jobs/insurance, folks avoiding health care, etc)."
 

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Cadence

Legend
Supporter
100k. New high score. :.-(

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MarkB

Legend
Yeah. The holiday season is going to be ugly this year.
Having the first vaccine approved in the UK before Christmas seemed like great timing, but I'm starting to think it's the opposite. It won't be rolled out in sufficient volumes to cover much of the country before next year, but the fact that it's now "here" is likely to mean that people abandon even the reduced level of precautions they would have taken over the holiday.
 

Thomas Shey

Adventurer
Having the first vaccine approved in the UK before Christmas seemed like great timing, but I'm starting to think it's the opposite. It won't be rolled out in sufficient volumes to cover much of the country before next year, but the fact that it's now "here" is likely to mean that people abandon even the reduced level of precautions they would have taken over the holiday.

This seems depressingly possible.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Correct.

Imagine that on Thanksgiving day, there's a wave of people being exposed.

On average, folks exposed will start to show symptoms 5 days after exposure. (It is a wide range - 2 to 14 days). They'll start being contagious... basically this week and into next week (a couple days before they might show symptoms.
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Having the first vaccine approved in the UK before Christmas seemed like great timing, but I'm starting to think it's the opposite.

I believe all the current vaccines we are looking at have a two-dose regimen, and it also takes time after the second dose for immunity to become established. I think it is supposed to be about six weeks from injection to reliable protection (I should double check on that). So, to be protected or X-mas, you'd probably have needed to have gotten the shot in mid-November.

Here in the US, they are talking about rolling out to health care and elderly first, expanding to less at-risk populations as time goes on. The population at large may be getting protected in mid to late spring?
 

Thomas Shey

Adventurer
And from what I understand, its not even entirely clear that the vaccines are producing immunity per se; its clear they've had very good results at completely suppressing symptoms, but its not equally clear whether the beneficiaries can't still be shedding virii.

I'd also be shocked whether most of the U.S. population (not counting those who resist) will be getting innoculated before--May? Possibly even a little later.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
And from what I understand, its not even entirely clear that the vaccines are producing immunity per se; its clear they've had very good results at completely suppressing symptoms, but its not equally clear whether the beneficiaries can't still be shedding virii.

I'd also be shocked whether most of the U.S. population (not counting those who resist) will be getting innoculated before--May? Possibly even a little later.

From March iirc. First vaccines this month there will only be a few million though.
 


MarkB

Legend
Here in the US, they are talking about rolling out to health care and elderly first, expanding to less at-risk populations as time goes on. The population at large may be getting protected in mid to late spring?
That's what they're aiming for here too, but the only vaccine approved so far in the UK is the Pfizer one, and the need for extreme refrigeration is imposing some logistical problems when it comes to distribution. We'll have to see how fast it can be rolled out.
 

100k. New high score. :.-(

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Gosh, America is so screwed. I wish we would just social distance. I have. I feel like I'm back in school doing a team project, but I'm the only kid in the team project doing any work. Except, this is a life-death situation, which makes it even more depressing and infuriating.

(I know other people are doing the same things I am, but not nearly enough people who are doing what they should be.)
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
That's what they're aiming for here too, but the only vaccine approved so far in the UK is the Pfizer one, and the need for extreme refrigeration is imposing some logistical problems when it comes to distribution. We'll have to see how fast it can be rolled out.
The non-pfizer ones are so far not quite reporting the effectiveness of the pfizer one.
 


Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Gosh, America is so screwed. I wish we would just social distance. I have. I feel like I'm back in school doing a team project, but I'm the only kid in the team project that did any work. Except, this is a life-death situation, which makes it even more depressing and infuriating.

(I know other people are doing the same things I am, but not nearly enough people who are doing what they should be.)
Great analogy
 



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