D&D and the rising pandemic

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
To be fair, being hit less hard than the mainland of the United States isn't exactly anything to brag about. LOTS of places were less effected than the US. "Hit less hard than the US" is a very low bar.

Strike that. Reverse it. He's comparing to New Zealand. Saying you got hit harder than some of the least-affected places on the globe is not saying you got hit hard.

It might not be much compared to mainland USA but it's not close to normal.

Hawaii's death rate was about 4% higher than normal due to covid. That is, in fact, not far from normal.
 

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Ryujin

Legend
Strike that. Reverse it. He's comparing to New Zealand. Saying you got hit harder than some of the least-affected places on the globe is not saying you got hit hard.



Hawaii's death rate was about 4% higher than normal due to covid. That is, in fact, not far from normal.
And (unfortunately) probably well within annual statistical deviation.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
My wife and I are fully vaccinated, and it's been more than 2 weeks since our last shot. Mask requirements are relaxing in our state, and businesses are still starting to open. But we aren't relaxing. We still work from home, we still stay home whenever we can, and when that's not possible we still wear masks and practice social distancing. We have no desire to stop anytime soon.

And it's not fear or paranoia, at least not for me...it's anger, resentment. Relaxing the mask requirement should be a relief, but two minutes on social media reminds us that we still can't trust our fellow citizens to do what's right for the sake of public health. We have learned that there are people here who value their own comfort and convenience (and bottom lines) over the lives and safety of strangers, and it makes it really hard to want to associate with them.

Dinner at home with a handful of my close friends? Sure!

Restaurant full of strangers? Pass.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
And (unfortunately) probably well within annual statistical deviation.

For the nation overall, it seems that the normal variation in death rate is about +/- 2%. So, covid represents a 20% increase in the death rate overall in the nation, which is huge.

In a smaller, sub-population, you should expect that variation can increase, but the state's population is large enough that its own rate should be pretty stable. So, it may be within the normal variation, but not by much.
 

GreyLord

Legend
So, it appears the US had a preliminary estimate of the actual COVID-19 deaths (I think from last year). It is done the same way that the Flu Deaths are calculated each year.

PRELIMINARY (that means that it could go up or down, it's not the final estimate, that won't be done for months, if not years) numbers seem to indicate over 900,000 actual deaths in the US from Covid-19. Much higher than the official count...even the current official count.

That is if I heard correctly on it.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
So, it appears the US had a preliminary estimate of the actual COVID-19 deaths (I think from last year). It is done the same way that the Flu Deaths are calculated each year.

PRELIMINARY (that means that it could go up or down, it's not the final estimate, that won't be done for months, if not years) numbers seem to indicate over 900,000 actual deaths in the US from Covid-19. Much higher than the official count...even the current official count.

That is if I heard correctly on it.
Wouldn’t exactly be a surprise- many experts have been saying all along that the official counts were off...to the low side. Some claimed the undercount could be off by 1/3 to 1/2.

...and that’s with us being relatively accurate. Some countries still have insufficient testing to have reasonable estimates of infection or death rates. And some in India are claiming the official numbers are 1/10 of reality.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
So, it appears the US had a preliminary estimate of the actual COVID-19 deaths (I think from last year). It is done the same way that the Flu Deaths are calculated each year.

PRELIMINARY (that means that it could go up or down, it's not the final estimate, that won't be done for months, if not years) numbers seem to indicate over 900,000 actual deaths in the US from Covid-19. Much higher than the official count...even the current official count.

That is if I heard correctly on it.

In most countries the official numbers are known cases only. Seems reasonable the numbers are estimates only.
 

Hussar

Legend
Wouldn’t exactly be a surprise- many experts have been saying all along that the official counts were off...to the low side. Some claimed the undercount could be off by 1/3 to 1/2.

...and that’s with us being relatively accurate. Some countries still have insufficient testing to have reasonable estimates of infection or death rates. And some in India are claiming the official numbers are 1/10 of reality.
Japan is in this boat. Just had a smaller testing in my city and 8% positive rate or something like that. Who knows if they are even close to telling the truth.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Japan is in this boat. Just had a smaller testing in my city and 8% positive rate or something like that. Who knows if they are even close to telling the truth.

So, there's no one generic "testing" - what the testing rate is/should be, and what the rate ultimately means, depends entirely on the population you are choosing to test, and why. "Smaller testing," can easily indicate a smaller group that, by selection, is much higher in rate than the general populace, for example.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
So, there's no one generic "testing" - what the testing rate is/should be, and what the rate ultimately means, depends entirely on the population you are choosing to test, and why. "Smaller testing," can easily indicate a smaller group that, by selection, is much higher in rate than the general populace, for example.
Yeh the meaning is really all over the place. Here I get the impression without symptoms testing is almost never done. (although before surgery is an exception)
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Yeh the meaning is really all over the place. Here I get the impression without symptoms testing is almost never done. (although before surgery is an exception)

There are times when it makes sense, like when you are trying to monitor a population. For example, here in Massachusetts, at the various higher-education campuses, they've done frequent testing of students and staff, to try to get on top of any outbreaks that might occur. They have done so many as to skew results if you just dump that data in with the rest of the testing in the state.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
There are times when it makes sense, like when you are trying to monitor a population. For example, here in Massachusetts, at the various higher-education campuses, they've done frequent testing of students and staff, to try to get on top of any outbreaks that might occur. They have done so many as to skew results if you just dump that data in with the rest of the testing in the state.
Oh it definitely makes sense to densely test, in order to track and stop spread but test ANYBODY who may have contacted someone with the disease makes sense. And yes the different testing params of contributing groups of data also confuse matters as well. This is not simple stuff
 

BookTenTiger

He / Him
Today was the first day since March 2020 that no new patients with COVID were admitted to hospitals in San Francisco!

California also announced a complete reopening on June 15, although of course it will vary county to county. There seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel!
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Found official government data. I stoped paying attention to numbers a few months ago.

Quarantine

Total Stats


Virtually no deaths from quarantine even with the Covid positives most if not all were community deaths.

A few countries still essentially blocked.


Residents of NZ from other countries can still come along with a trickle of those who can get visas.
 

Hussar

Legend
Are the hospitals filling up with people?
No, fortunately. It is pretty frightening though that it's almost certain that Japan is downplaying things as hard as possible in order to keep the Olympics afloat. But, then again, I say, "almost certain" without any real evidence. But, again, since the government controls here over the media are so strong, and the flow of information is so top down and accepted as being okay that it's top down without really any questioning of those in positions of authority, that it's so hard to have any faith at all in the system.

I mean, good grief, the local news here has been dominated by a couple of Vietnamese workers that stole a couple of pigs and had a barbecue. O.O This was a half hour expose on my local station. You can see what I'm talking about when it's really hard to believe anything that's coming down the pipeline.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
The loss of your sense of smell due to COVID is a relatively minor symptom, but it’s ripples can drastically change one’s quality of life, and may be linked to depression. And for some of those who get their sense back, it is disordered.

 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
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Basically, a researcher has claimed to figure out why some of the C19 vaccines are causing clots, AND he believes he knows what needs to be done to reformulate the ven to avoid this problem. Apparently, J&J has contacted him for a consultation.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Choose your international travel locations carefully. Things are still ugly out there:

They note that non-pharmaceutical measures seem to be less effective with this one because of its virulence and increased rate of reproduction. Translation: it is easier to catch, and needs a lower viral load to successfully infect someone,
 


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