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D&D and the rising pandemic

MarkB

Legend
The UK government has announced much tighter restrictions on non-essential travel and activities - no going out except to shop for basic necessities or essential work travel, no public gatherings of any size, closure of any shops not selling basic necessities.

 

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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Not sure I agree. Been playing my entire life and just recently clawed my way into middle class. And all of my group live pay check to pay check in retail. But any evidence from my part is anecdotal, so meh...
Not arguing. But your experience and the statement aren't contradictory. D&D and RPGs in general are both luxury items and one of the cheapest forms of entertainment. Releases are both pricey and free, you just need to know where to look and what to look for. Even when buying, the dollars/hour amount ratio is still quite good.

But, on the other hand some poor minority communities look into the hobby -and geeky stuff in general- as something rich people do or associate it with criminal or satanic stuff -thanks to the stupid occult scare- and prevent their kids from engaging or doing. Also, until recently, you couldn't find D&D in a toy store or in retail like walmart and target, so only kids with disposable income would even know about it.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Today was illuminating. With the banning of Fauchi to speak publicly, Trump saying they won’t let “the cure (distancing and shelter in place) be worse than the virus in regards to the economy, and the doctor focusing solely on how people will be fine even if they get it (acting like the elderly and auto immune somehow don’t exist or don’t count) and the writing is on the wall for Trump to be willing to let 3% of our population die in order to get the stock market back on track.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
End of the day, nothing will really change all that much. People still have short memories and look out for their own self-interest. But tectonic shifts in world politics or the way the economy runs? I don't expect that any time soon, pandemics will just become another existential threat people ignore for the most part.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
You mean hopefully somebody wont fire and not replace 700 specialists in exactly this who were hired because of a pandemic not as bad a few years ago
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Today was illuminating. With the banning of Fauchi to speak publicly, Trump saying they won’t let “the cure (distancing and shelter in place) be worse than the virus in regards to the economy, and the doctor focusing solely on how people will be fine even if they get it (acting like the elderly and auto immune somehow don’t exist or don’t count) and the writing is on the wall for Trump to be willing to let 3% of our population die in order to get the stock market back on track.
One absence does not a banning make. It’s ominous, yes, but not dispositive.
 


Horwath

Adventurer
Today was illuminating. With the banning of Fauchi to speak publicly, Trump saying they won’t let “the cure (distancing and shelter in place) be worse than the virus in regards to the economy, and the doctor focusing solely on how people will be fine even if they get it (acting like the elderly and auto immune somehow don’t exist or don’t count) and the writing is on the wall for Trump to be willing to let 3% of our population die in order to get the stock market back on track.
now, while stock market is probably trumps primary goal, we should think about what will breaking of the economy do to the general population, and will it in the end cause more dead within 1 or 2 years that 2 or 3% that you mentioned from Covid19.

People will be out of money and they will get "cabin fever" on top of that.

when people start to get out of money, more robberies will happen, more home invasions means more defenders and offenders end up dead.

Muggings and possible murder in the streets for trying to get a few bucks fast from some unsuspecting person.

Rising of violence at home due to money shortage and confinement, all the minor problems that two people have in their relationship will surface and be blow completely out of control.

Divorce rates will be interesting in 6-12 months. More broke up families, more children raised in sub-optimal or even abusing homes, means more criminals in next generation.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I predict that if we are successful in slowing the infection rate, a large faction of the population will sit there and claim that it wasn't that big of a deal in the first place and people just overreacted.
If the rate slows after weeks of distancing, I tink folks will get the connection.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
when people start to get out of money, more robberies will happen, more home invasions means more defenders and offenders end up dead.
The two best analogies we have - the Great Depression and the Great Recession do not support this. While crime statistics for the 1920s and 1930s are not great, they don't support the idea of a notable rise in crime. And, in most areas of the US during the Great Recession, crime rates fell, rather than rose.

There's two basic explanations for this - 1) People aren't actually as bad as we think, and 2) When an economic downturn leaves many people without money, nobody has much worth stealing.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
One absence does not a banning make. It’s ominous, yes, but not dispositive.
There was an article about him being barred at a particular interview back in February. And looking at past examples of people in that particular admin being barred from speaking publicly, I think it's a safe bet to say he can't speak anymore without WH approval. Either way, it's a pretty strong coincidence that he disappears right when the WH shifts tactics and are now pushing a narrative to end restrictions to help the economy rather than saving lives, don't you think?
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
now, while stock market is probably trumps primary goal, we should think about what will breaking of the economy do to the general population, and will it in the end cause more dead within 1 or 2 years that 2 or 3% that you mentioned from Covid19.

People will be out of money and they will get "cabin fever" on top of that.

when people start to get out of money, more robberies will happen, more home invasions means more defenders and offenders end up dead.

Muggings and possible murder in the streets for trying to get a few bucks fast from some unsuspecting person.

Rising of violence at home due to money shortage and confinement, all the minor problems that two people have in their relationship will surface and be blow completely out of control.

Divorce rates will be interesting in 6-12 months. More broke up families, more children raised in sub-optimal or even abusing homes, means more criminals in next generation.
I had this conversation the other day with my partner (via whatsapp since we are quarantining from each other :( ), and yes, there is no win here. At some point does the damage from the economy cost more lives than the virus itself via starvation, lack of medical care etc? What is that number?

I just don't think we should be willing to suddenly shift gears to accept all these deaths from the virus before we even have test kits available to people, PPE to hospitals, and we don't even know if the stay at home orders work. 15 days isn't nearly long enough to make that decision.
 

Mistwell

Legend
There was an article about him being barred at a particular interview back in February. And looking at past examples of people in that particular admin being barred from speaking publicly, I think it's a safe bet to say he can't speak anymore without WH approval. Either way, it's a pretty strong coincidence that he disappears right when the WH shifts tactics and are now pushing a narrative to end restrictions to help the economy rather than saving lives, don't you think?
Dr. Fauchi was at a task force meeting during that presser and had said a couple days ago he'd be likely missing some of the pressers because he still has a lot of work he's doing every day with the task force.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I had this conversation the other day with my partner (via whatsapp since we are quarantining from each other :( ), and yes, there is no win here. At some point does the damage from the economy cost more lives than the virus itself via starvation, lack of medical care etc? What is that number?
Well, a bit of reading tells me that the Great Depression can be blamed for about 7 million deaths by starvation and malnutrition. The upper end estimates for bad covid-19 are a couple of million. So.... you need to tank the economy on the same order as the Great Depression to get similar deaths.
 

ad_hoc

Hero
Well, a bit of reading tells me that the Great Depression can be blamed for about 7 million deaths by starvation and malnutrition. The upper end estimates for bad covid-19 are a couple of million. So.... you need to tank the economy on the same order as the Great Depression to get similar deaths.
A major difference is that our technology is so far advanced now that we have far more resources than they did at that time.

People are worried, for example, about how they're going to be able to afford their homes. Well, the homes are there. The problem isn't that there aren't enough homes.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Glad I'm not in America. Bailout was passed days ago, they've moved onto mortage and rent freezes, countries locked down and they're creating bubbles to contain stuff.

If your workplace is essential eg food production not McDonalds the idea is limit the contacts. They know they can't contain it but want to limit it's spread.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
A major difference is that our technology is so far advanced now that we have far more resources than they did at that time.

People are worried, for example, about how they're going to be able to afford their homes. Well, the homes are there. The problem isn't that there aren't enough homes.
We had crisis here. A lot of foreign speculators left, Air BnBs are coming up for long term rent and I suspect empty hotels etc will get used for emergency housing.

We probably have an extra 100 000+ people here on visas trapped, there's an adopt a backpacker for 4 weeks scheme going and they're working with various Embassys to locate people and get them home.
 
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Theo R Cwithin

I cast "Baconstorm!"
We probably have an extra 100 000+ people here on visas trapped, there's an adopt a backpacker for 4 weeks scheme going and they're working with various Embassys to locate people and get them home.
Hmm... To be completely honest, I kinda wish I was trapped in New Zealand instead of rural west Texas. 😅
 

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