D&D and the rising pandemic


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Janx

Hero
Ugh.
Double vaxxed and boosted. Took all reasonable precautions. Had to take a required trip for work after Xmas.

… and just tested positive for the ‘rona. 2022, everybody!

(so far, it’s like a bad cold- one day of symptoms.)
hope it stays mild.

Rest up. Get better.
 

Thomas Shey

Legend
But not doing this is also reasonable. I am just describing our plans really.

No, that's all quite fair; if I knew for sure I had it I'd be doing as much of that as was possible. The single bathroom that requires moving through a common hall to get to it complicates it no end, but you can only do what you can do.
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
No, that's all quite fair; if I knew for sure I had it I'd be doing as much of that as was possible. The single bathroom that requires moving through a common hall to get to it complicates it no end, but you can only do what you can do.
It does - but it's also not impossible. When my wife tested positive for COVID a year ago, she quarantined to our bedroom (I took the living room couch) and used the communal upstairs hall and bathroom (with her wiping it down with bleachy wipes after use). Neither I nor our kids ever caught it.
That was, of course, before omicron and it's freaky high R factor.
 

Thomas Shey

Legend
It does - but it's also not impossible. When my wife tested positive for COVID a year ago, she quarantined to our bedroom (I took the living room couch) and used the communal upstairs hall and bathroom (with her wiping it down with bleachy wipes after use). Neither I nor our kids ever caught it.
That was, of course, before omicron and it's freaky high R factor.

Well, as noted, contact transfer doesn't seem to be much of a thing with C19. The issue with having to use the bathroom would be I'd be regularly leaving the bedroom and exposing the hallway to exhalations. I probably could pull a mask on before I did so each time, but it still seems likely its impairing some of the benefit of isolating.
 

NotAYakk

Legend
So, this is why epidemiologists has specific measures and not descriptive words like "as infectious as".

R0 is measured as the average number of other people a sick person will infect, if the population is unprotected. R0 is a measure before contingencies are applied, not after. So when they say Delta has an R0 of 5, and Omicron has an R0 of 10, that has a clear meaning. We layer on effectiveness of vaccines after that - the vaccines are pretty solid against Delta, and not as good against Omicron.
Yes, but we have a guess at the R0 of Omicron from before Christmas.

I have read epidemiologists saying it could be a R0 very similar to Delta, just a much better ability to evade existing vaccines and prior infections.

Distinguishing that from a higher R0 is difficult, as there are few areas of the planet that are not full of vaccinated and prior infected people at this point.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Distinguishing that from a higher R0 is difficult, as there are few areas of the planet that are not full of vaccinated and prior infected people at this point.

Sure it is. But there are some very smart, skilled people out there with data.

If I have to point an issue at your argument, it is this - Delta spread over the world over the course of half a year, through a population that still had plenty of unvaccinated people. The US, for example, had 40% to 50% vaccination rate during the period of Delta's rise to dominance, not high enough to really slow it down all that much.

If Omicron evades vaccines, that just means it, too, is spreading through a largely vulnerable population. But it came to dominance over the course of about one month. Which suggests that it really is worse than Delta, vaccine or not.

This is supported by research showing that Omicron spreads so rapidly by reproducing ungodly fast in the bronchi (this is measurable - it reproduces about 70 times faster than Delta in these tissues). Meaning, it is doing to Delta what Delta did to Alpha - simply massively out-reproducing in the places it counts for spreading the virus.

The fact that we know it out-reproduces Delta stands against your argument that it is somehow no more infectious. The higher reproduction rate is part of how infectious it is. It means higher doses of virus per cough and sneeze and breath, meaning we should expect more infection, unless given a very specific reason to expect otherwise.

I know of no such specific reason to think otherwise.
 
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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Latest report-

Brain fog, light flu-like symptoms for me. I was lucky(ish), in that I was symptomatic and I had stocked up on HomeKits prior to omicron. Friends who were exposed went to go get tested- they just texted, and lines are hours long, there are police escorts for doctors, and people are just vomiting in line like something from a Hieronymous Bosch painting.
 

Hussar

Legend
/snip

But not doing this is also reasonable. I am just describing our plans really.
Actually, no, I'm going to disagree. Not doing this is not reasonable. Not masking in public is not reasonable. There is absolutely no reason to not mask 100% of the time the second you walk out the door. That graph up there showing that vertical line? Look where Japan is. THAT'S what happens when everyone is reasonable and masks up.

FFS, if people would just do it for a while we'd be done with this naughty word by now.

Sorry, @NotAYakk, that rant is not directed at you. It's directed at anyone who thinks that it's okay to walk out their door without a mask.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Actually, no, I'm going to disagree. Not doing this is not reasonable. Not masking in public is not reasonable.

I am not sure he was talking about masking. He seemed to be talking about deeper cleaning of surfaces while in isolation.
 

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