D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Myrdin Potter]

Naw I am pretty sure the studio is already heading in that direction. They made money on this one. The streaming portion pushes it into the black (and I don't even mean VOD).

Unless you work at Paramount or Hasbro/eOne, you are guessing as much as anyone else in this thread how much it made from streaming. So there is no absolute that it made money, especially for Paramount who would be paying for the steaming but does not have the subscription revenue yet to match against it.

 

[Mistwell]

Unless you work at Paramount or Hasbro/eOne, you are guessing as much as anyone else in this thread how much it made from streaming. So there is no absolute that it made money, especially for Paramount who would be paying for the steaming but does not have the subscription revenue yet to match against it.

You don't have to work AT either. Nor would someone who could know be in a position to disclose private insider data like that. So all I am saying is it is my personal educated guess that they studio believes the movie is in the black once added to their streaming service. There won't ever be hard data on what portion of their streaming revenue will be attributed to this movie as that's not how the formulas work. It will always be an estimate based on a proportion of new streamers, retained streamers, etc..

 

[mamba]

Well, the number's not wrong.

D&DHaT has done $202,537,000 worldwide.

I was not doubting the number, I was doubting this being a good outcome / assuring eventual profitability, which I understood the ‘It shouldn't be a bad cipher.’ to mean

 

[mamba]

Look, that isn't accurate. I usually say you're using the outdated pre-pandemic formula, but even under that formula you would have been wrong.

not if you factor in marketing cost, which you definitely should…

That is also not how that works. Movies are usually both streaming VOD and in theaters at the same time.

yeah, but at this time that will get it from 202M to 205M or so, the numbers now are too small to change the trajectory

Naw I am pretty sure the studio is already heading in that direction. They made money on this one. The streaming portion pushes it into the black (and I don't even mean VOD).

do you have any actual data for this? to me that sounds pretty unlikely

 

[mamba]

It doesn't take much. There's at least 80 million paid subs on their platforms. They just need to claim 1% of those renew because of Honor Among Thieves will crediting 10% of signups to the same. That's how their math demonstrates Honor Among Thieves, a property they liked so much they paid tens of millions to Hasbro for the TV series and signed First Rights with Daley+Goldstein, makes them money.

claiming something is not the same as something being true

Attributing 10% of signups to any one movie feels unrealistic.

 

[mamba]

So all I am saying is it is my personal educated guess that they studio believes the movie is in the black once added to their streaming service.

I can see them saying it made money for Paramount+, but that does not mean the movie itself is in the black. With not even making half of that at the box office, Paramount+ would have had to pay an outsized amount for those rights.

So chances are it will be one or the other. Either P+ overpaid for the streaming rights and does not break even on it, or the movie is still in the red.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

Let's remember TV shows with several seasons, for example Xena the warrior princess, and these weren't released in the cinemas. D&DHaT has earned enough money to be a "pilot episode".

We shouldn't say the D&D cinematic universe to have ended before starting.

 

[Zardnaar]

claiming something is not the same as something being true

Attributing 10% of signups to any one movie feels unrealistic.

There's a metric to measure tgat. It's called first clicks. Basically new members sign up and they track the first thing they watch.

 

[Zardnaar]

Let's remember TV shows with several seasons, for example Xena the warrior princess, and these weren't released in the cinemas. D&DHaT has earned enough money to be a "pilot episode".

We shouldn't say the D&D cinematic universe to have ended before starting.

TV buys them from people who make them.

Paramount made the Movie so there's no real money coming in from them. One division coukd pay another I suppose but Paramount paying Paramount hmmn.

There's first click metric and VoD. Even in Covid times VoD only got a small % cinema releases were hauling in. It's only gonna help out if the numbers were unclear/close.

There's no back end deal here for streaming rights. Paramount nay have paid Hasbro but no ones paying them to stream the movie.

 

[bedir than]

TV buys them from people who make them.

Paramount made the Movie so there's no real money coming in from them. One division coukd pay another I suppose but Paramount paying Paramount hmmn.

There's first click metric and VoD. Even in Covid times VoD only got a small % cinema releases were hauling in. It's only gonna help out if the numbers were unclear/close.

There's no back end deal here for streaming rights. Paramount nay have paid Hasbro but no ones paying them to stream the movie.

Why do you insist on rejecting renewal rate?

Why do you think 80+ million people get Paramount+ or Showtime for free?