It is past time for you to consider the possibility that folks have honest opinions about the material, rather than a "party line".
I am going to quote myself here.
I'm fine with anyone who wants to (of any age) playing this. I am also fine with anyone who wants to (of any age) playing Spelljammer as published in the 90s. I just do not understand why they needed to use the name of the latter for the former
People playing the game, and enjoying it, I have no issues with. Even if it is things I would not prefer myself. But if their opinion that I should not prefer what I prefer, then I do not care how "honestly" they came by it.
The "party line" comment was more aimed at the notion that I am not allowed to be disappointed with the new Spelljammer because I have not bought it. Of course I haven't bought it! I do not go out and buy products I know are not what I want.
So, let us try this - what is more meaningful to the setting: The presence of crystal spheres and phlogiston, or the types of stories you get from playing
I do not believe they are easily separable. One informs the other.
Clipping the sentence in order to remove additional context is very poor form. You left out the references to stars, the heavens, Widspace, a silvery void, hopping between worlds. Sounds pretty darn space-y to me.
I clipped the bits that were not relevant to my point. Yes, wildspace is pretty spacey, but to actually go anywhere you have to leave wildspace and, crucially, travel to another plane. Anyway, given the size of dogpile trying to bludgeon me into submission, it is simply not practical to post every post in its entirety even if I wanted to.
Plus which, giving me stick for only only quoting the relevant portions of posts and then, in the very next post, clipping my post down to literally two words is, as you put it, "poor form".
No, the only inaccurate bit I see in this thread is your claim that because they refer to the Astral Plane, it means it has nothing to do with space, despite all of the other things they also refer to which make it very clear it is to do with space.
Lucky I did not claim that, then. I claimed, accurately, that space travel has been replaced by astral travel as the main way of getting to far-off places.
EDIT: Admittedly in a slightly hyperbolic way, initially.
Please explain to me how the Phlogiston is "space" in any meaningful way that doesn't also apply to the Astral Sea.
The phlogiston is not another plane. You may not find that "meaningful", but I do (to the extent that anything about an elfgame is meaningful - we are not curing cancer here). And see my earlier comment to Umbran about other people policing what I am allowed to find meaningful.
Please, please stop trying to convince me that I am wrong to be disappointed in the new "Spelljammer". To reiterate, if you like it, great! Go have fun with it! But stop telling me that I am wrong to be disappointed - the new Spelljammer is different from the old
Spelljammer in a pretty fundamental way, and I preferred the original version. My preferences are my preferences, and nether logical argument nor bullying are going to change them.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
Please. No more.