Nice dilemma you have left me there
@Umbran: Making mod protection contingent on not posting again, after a vicious post that I would obviously feel the need to respond to. I have been going back and forth with myself all morning how to deal that, and I guess you can see where I landed; I asked for "no more", not "one more brutal attack post".
You made a claim that they left out the "in space" bit, so references to space things are clearly relevant, but you left them out.
If the claim was meant to be taken literally rather than being slightly hyperbolic, that would certainly be true. And you might genuinely have missed the hyperbole the first time around (people talking past each other on the Internet is hardly unheard of). But I helpfully clarified what I meant here:
Yes, wildspace is pretty spacey, but to actually go anywhere you have to leave wildspace and, crucially, travel to another plane.
I would have clarified sooner, but frankly it did not occur to me until this morning that the hyperbole might not have been as obvious to anyone else as it was to me. That's my mistake; I could have been clearer (and I have now edited my earlier post to make it abundantly clear). Of course, by keeping up the increasingly vicious attacks even after that clarification, you make that initial good faith seem less likely and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it has long since left the building.
In the interests of clarity, let take a look at the "relevant bits" I left out:
Home of the stars and gateway to the heavens, the Astral Plane teems with excitement and possibility. With the help of magic, spelljammers can cross the oceans of Wildspace, ply the silvery void known as the Astral Sea, and hop between worlds of the D&D multiverse."
You left out the references to stars, the heavens, Widspace, a silvery void, hopping between worlds. Sounds pretty darn space-y to me.
"Stars" do not imply space. The
Forgotten Realms has stars, and I guess is technically in space being a planet and all but is hardly a space setting.
Ravenloft also has stars, and that definitely is not a space setting.
"Heavens" in this context is clearly a reference to the upper planes not space. IOW, far from being a rebuttal to my complaint it supports it.
"Hopping between worlds" does not imply any particular method, let alone confirming space travel.
"Silvery void". I have never thought of space as being silver, and I do not believe you have either (until yesterday).
So even if "no space" had been literal, the only bit that actually supported your accusation was "wildspace", with the remainder being neutral at best. Of course, my cunning plan to hide the full contents of your post involved not only preserving the links in the quote blocks, but also independently linking back to your post in my post
#450. If I was trying to hide anything, I was really doing a really bad job of it.
That's a distinction without a difference.
Without a difference
TO YOU. As I have already stated, multiple times, it makes
all the difference to me.
This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about when I said people were telling me that I wasn't allowed to be disappointed: That the differences I consider to be significant are not allowed to matter (significant to my potential enjoyment of the product, that is, not necessarily in the grand scheme of things).
You did not merely say you were disappointed in the new Spelljammer. (No quotes, of course, since WotC owns that IP and can do whatever they please with it).
Bizarre non-sequitur since neither I nor anyone else suggested WotC did not have the legal right to do whatever they like with a brand they own. Had they wished, they would have been well within their rights to turn
Spelljammer into a chain of coffee shops. And since I do not drink coffee, I would also have felt that was disappointing, and would have been well within my rights to say so.
Also, I am not sure how the legal status of the Spelljammer trade mark prevents you quoting these other claims about the product you are pretending I made (actually, what prevents your quoting them is their non-existence).
You made some claims that are invalid, and people have explained why.
Citation needed. I made ONE claim, which was slightly hyperbolic in its initial presentation, and was subsequently clarified to be entirely accurate. What "other" inaccurate claims have I made? That's a rhetorical question BTW. You yourself said this:
No, the only inaccurate bit I see in this thread is your claim that because they refer to the Astral Plane, it means it has nothing to do with space, despite all of the other things they also refer to which make it very clear it is to do with space.
Here you manage to misrepresent both what you said and what other people said
Nope. The only misrepresentation is on your side.
And this [bullying] is also a pretty vile misrepresentation of what people have been saying.
One poster began their responses beginning their first response with "TBH, I have trouble taking your comment seriously after this", and then escalated from there with (I think) to ever more vicious insults. Another poster started with what certainly felt like an insult but was cryptic and obfuscated enough to give plausible deniability (not that they really needed it), asked me if I "even read the book" as if that somehow made it immune to criticism, and accused me of being an old person telling kids to get off my lawn (again somewhat cryptically), even though I explicitly said in my very first post on the topic that said kids had no reason to care about the same things I care about, and then claimed I had shown that I did not know what was in the book even though (despite claims to the contrary) the one thing that I had said about the book (that it had replaced the phlogiston with the astral sea) was accurate, all in response to a post that quoted them not to rebut but to agree and expand. While all that was going on, nine other posters (including a mod) made posts relating to this tangent which would probably have been fine in isolation but in context contributed, deliberately or accidentally, to the feeling of being dog piled. All of which turned the notification icon from a simple notification of potential interest to a source of trepidation; so much so that I went to bed last night with a splitting headache thanks in large part to the stress of it all.
What would you call it when a large group in a position of relative power (due both to numbers and having a mod on their side) continues to badger a lone individual despite two requests to stop, to the point of causing physical pain? Sounds like "bullying" is a fairly apt description to me.
